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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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Network

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all right good evening everybody how you

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doing today is Monday January 16th

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2023 this is faded black I'm Yours Jimmy

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church and tonight Our Guest is Don Webb

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and we're going to be discussing uh his

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new book it's how to become a modern

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Magus uh a manual for magicians of all

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schools and we're going to do this now

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we're going to go in in pretty in-depth

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uh into becoming a magician if this is

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if this is part of and it it's not going

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to be what you expect and so sit tight

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we're going to get straight to it and

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Don uh very interestingly uh was the

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high priest of the Temple of set from

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1996 to 2002 he has written and lectured

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on left-hand path topics and the Occult

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practices of late Antiquity since 1995

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now in this book he offers up a 12-month

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course one year

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on the activities the rituals the Spells

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and the exercises to help you acquire

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magical skills and the knowledge and

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maximize your strengths over the course

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of a year so we're going to be doing all

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of that tonight and I would welcome for

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the first time to fade to black Don Webb

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thank you well we like you you can I can

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I do a plug on your earlier book real

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um I've had this for a while

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and uh uh the energy Magic of the

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vampire so I'm going to extend the

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invitation right now we've got to get

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you back and and discuss this crazy

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stuff happened over the last year uh and

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we didn't get a chance uh to do that but

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a huge fan huge fan so we'll do that

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later uh the new book uh modern modern

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Magus is it Magus or magus

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yeah I say make us too so I just want to

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make sure that that I'm correct there

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change okay Don are you still there I'm

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still here okay

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um I've I've we lost the internet here

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see oh by the way

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um we're in the middle of this Cyclone

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storm uh yeah what just happened to the

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stream okay hold on uh are we back this

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this is so I'm not in panic mode I don't

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panic

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um and uh so I'll uh

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I'll see what the uh uh my uh moderators

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uh say to me in just a second

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um but nonetheless we're still recording

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on the other end so uh uh let's see yeah

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we're we're good we're good all right

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um I wanted to say uh this we are in the

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middle of it it's been raining for a

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month straight I think the rest of the

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country kind of knows what we've been

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going through and it it it's still

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raining it hasn't it has not stopped

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I've been in California for 40 years

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um but I want to I wanted to start off

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um as as I'm I'm starting it out

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and you say I'm paraphrasing here Don

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but you say something like this it's

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like the words I've been waiting for

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you're like okay

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first you need the tools and you're like

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get yourself a cauldron get to your kids

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get and I was like wait a minute this is

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this is the real thing here and and that

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kind of introduction going into the book

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I knew that this was something that I

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was looking for was that your intention

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from the beginning oh absolutely there's

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very few books that practice like here's

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how you do magic

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know stuff or they tell you a little bit

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about certain practice and my idea is I

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want to empower people do their rituals

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have their tools

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go out and take on the world

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I um I was very excited about that and

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it forced me into cheating somewhat

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um and that now I couldn't help but like

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and you're not supposed to do this it's

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a course right but I've got the whole

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flipping ahead and reading through it

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sure that I wasn't deceiving myself with

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the excitement that yes the guide is

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indeed here it's a 12-month practical

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guide to get yourself going

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calls for like a strobe light aren't

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exactly traditional magician's tools

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um can okay so with that uh as a

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foundation for the start

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dark things and then you know that no

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there's light and there's dark and it's

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not what you think but that's what the

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public uh thinks out of the gate isn't

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and and and how do we how do we work

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their upbringing or because of some

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unknown Grace in the world may discover

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they have a slightly different

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relationship to reality than the average

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person they discover that occasionally

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they can affect the minds of others or

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they can affect the outcome and event of

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an event

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it's easy to see people like that you

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have your friend that's really lucky you

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have that person that when they get in

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trouble with someone they somehow can

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calm everyone down

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the powers exist they've existed in

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human folklore for you know 10 000 years

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this begins to say let's see if we can

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hone those powers without making

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ridiculous claims about them

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speaking to somebody about these

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subjects do you have to intentionally

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start with okay you need to know what

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your intentions are and this isn't a

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dark tool or a tool to be used for bad

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things do you have to lay the groundwork

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uh the big groundwork that I try to lay

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with people is it magic if it works

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destabilizes your life

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if you make a wish that's going to

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change things and so that means there's

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two things going on number one your life

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everyone wants to be like a money

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working I want to do it working for

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money because we love money in our

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society right and then you know I've had

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this I say I've had students do this for

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for decades and they said I did this

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money working

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and now I've got more overtime than I've

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it's killing me but I mean a lot of

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money and I said well is there any other

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way money can come to you

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you know short of like your death of

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that a wealthy family member or

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something you really don't want and they

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and so I said did you think you did this

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working like money would just like fall

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from the ceiling

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it will come to you in a natural way if

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your life is not financially enchantable

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don't do money work

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the first two things people try to

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practically do they even get paid

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and you're not set up a new way to get

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love what are you going to do you know

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do you take care of your appearance are

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you going out to meet people or are you

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just expecting someone to come knock on

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your door at 3am and say I'm here and

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and I will tell you

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from experience

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if that happens it will not turn out

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has this this seems very very

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fundamental in that is this the same

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discussion that was going on 5 000 years

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yes because uh magic effects

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the natural order it does not overcome

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the natural order

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and therefore if we're putting stresses

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and changes in the way things unfold

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either mental things within you or

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mental things to other people or in

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it's not going to change anything

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um if I do a working to make myself I

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you know you do all the the appropriate

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things I could either have like a

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psychedelic experience think I'm flying

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or or maybe I win an airline ticket but

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I'm not actually going to go like

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the uh are there if I want to back up

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and it's it's a very special place and a

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place that I've researched for a very

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these fundamentals that are discussed

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throughout uh occult societies and and

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magicians and magic and and things but

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it's it's also some of the basic

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principles in your book The the

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seem to have a grip on things they did

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it seemed like they understood it when

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the rest of the world was digging for

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seeds in the dirt and they were fully

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upright and understood these these

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principles both with hereticism and

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oh absolutely the Egyptian civilization

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the two civilizations that did the best

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be Chinese civilization in the Egyptians

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the judeo-christian world we are taught

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that magic is a bad thing right it comes

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from the other side don't mess with it

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uh Egyptian scriptures they really early

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on you know thank you Lord Graf for

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giving us magic so that we can buffer

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ourselves against Bad events

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it was seen as a gift of the Gods and

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you have to learn it you have to use it

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and a totally positive thing

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in the sense if you use it correctly but

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since it is a force

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can be used positively or negatively

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um uh again you know and in setting

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boundaries and I'm and I keep going back

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to uh ancient Egypt because of the

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Traditions that came out of Egypt and

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through Europe and then of course over

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here uh to the United States but

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everything you know kind of it got its

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foundations

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um in Egypt itself

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um why did the uh the public uh suddenly

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have to concern themselves with dangers

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it was that a fear of the unknown you

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know what I mean that they didn't

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understand what was going on so it must

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have been dangerous

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oh no it was actually a fear of The

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Gnome Egypt is a very precarious country

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I mean you look at a map of Egypt and

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he's like oh this is a pretty good-sized

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country no it's a tiny country it's two

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miles on each side of the Nile

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and it do those two miles in classical

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times had a flood every year not

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occasionally there would be a yearly

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flood

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it brought in the mud the mud was full

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of all this wonderful decayed vegetable

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matter if you considered Egypt offensive

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the center of Africa

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great crops every year if the flood is

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too big you can't move back soon enough

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to start your crops if it's too small

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your fuels run fertilized every year you

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are pitting yourself against the

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elements

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and these are known dangers

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you also had to take a very dense

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Society two miles either side of the

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Nile sure and make sure that they could

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live together uh

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so you have to have art religion magic

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all of which in Egypt Egyptian would be

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one word to be Hector

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um has to be tied together

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to maintain Society maintain social

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balance and deal with the fact

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that we are clear Society built on a

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yearly catastrophe

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that that chaos uh was the basis of

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Egyptian Society wasn't it right yeah

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they had to actually say okay the the

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world's going to flood US every year

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we all have to find someplace to live

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during that we have to store our food uh

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when we get back we have to figure out

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where our fuels were so we better

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develop trigonometry so we can draw the

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triangles

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that was the basis of everything

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and

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um you I I've gone back to Egypt right

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when we look at

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um some of the chapters and then

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certainly the closing of the book too as

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well

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um uh it's it's an introduction into

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Egypt isn't it and then and and you

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close with it as well

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I spend a lot on Egyptian soulcraft

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because Egyptians model uh the Mind Body

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Spirit is a very good model for

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magicians mainly because it was used for

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that for about three thousand years and

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they hit a really good level of thinking

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in about the 18th 19th 20th dynasties

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but what are the different parts of

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ourselves and how do they work

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and uh that that's such a great point

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because those 2 000 years that you're

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referencing there was a relatively it's

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2 000 years right that's a really long

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time of stability of Enlightenment very

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little war right it was uh it was about

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uh learning about culture your neighbors

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your mind and advancing the spirit

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wasn't it for two thousand years

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largely there there was in fact you know

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it was pretty peaceful development

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um about the middle of Egyptian history

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they developed great armies they went

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out took over most of the Middle East

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and then at the end of the you know the

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end of Egyptian uh Power we had Persians

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and Greeks and Romans came in and took

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them over but it was largely a period of

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pretty much self-sustaining government

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uh redeveloped their own

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um

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systems they they were you know much

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much sooner than the Greeks were they

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thinking about philosophy

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uh but the the age of Egypt itself is so

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staggering

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you know that you probably noticed the

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Great Pyramids right you when you were

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there I I was actually in it alone

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oh there's some issue of things about

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that space we should probably talk about

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that now I don't go for the theory that

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those are you know vastly you know

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ridiculously old and built by you know

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aliens but it's using regular theory if

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we know they were being built the Great

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Pyramid was being built when you could

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still go see very mastodons in Europe

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that's correct yeah

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that's old that's really old yeah it's

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really old

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um when uh I don't know if you've been

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to Egypt have you been to Egypt I have

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not been to Egypt okay

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um one of the things that is striking is

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that it just overpowers you is yes you

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can go in front of the Great Pyramid and

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understand if you stay with Orthodox

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Academia you know it is built at 2750 BC

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right okay that's really old but when

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you go out into Sakara and you go see

401
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the band pyramid or the step pyramid or

402
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The Red Pyramid or the other pyramids

403
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yeah

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um you got all of that and they're just

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as big and just as Majestic as the Great

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Pyramid the bent pyramid is like five

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feet shorter right

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it's ginormous and all of this was done

409
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in like a hundred year period

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and it's it's a mind-boggling thing to

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wrap your head around and then you have

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dentera and abados and and you know

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Karnak and Luxor and all of these

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temples that hundreds of sites across

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Egypt that all of this was going on it's

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it's an incredible thing to see what a

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feat of of Technology but it happened

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Stone Age man and then a couple of weeks

419
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later they're building Giza it's crazy

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it was amazingly rapid uh uptake on

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civilization on math from technology uh

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you know in some ways Egypt is like a

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watch right and it's wound up really

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tight and when it started

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boom

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and then it just kind of slowly ran down

427
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you know until finally when the Greeks

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came they were like hey take us over

429
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we're done

430
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and uh and you brought up philosophy

431
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we're gonna get back to the book in a

432
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second uh when the Greeks showed up the

433
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Greeks hadn't developed philosophy yet

434
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as a matter of fact if we if we back

435
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things up when Egypt was on a roll it

436
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was another it wouldn't be for 2400

437
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years until Greece was even around right

438
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so when they showed up that's where they

439
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,700
learned their Philosophy from and and a

440
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lot of organization and culture and

441
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government uh that that we give the

442
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Greeks credit for and and we should but

443
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they got most of that from Egypt didn't

444
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they they got a lot of their their stuff

445
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from Egypt and then the Greeks

446
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Brilliance is they didn't just copy they

447
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say okay we're going to Xerox this and

448
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take home they said all right they have

449
00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:00,900
these ideas about the soul

450
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and those people from Persia have those

451
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ideas

452
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we got to figure this stuff out

453
00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:08,820
and so the Greek's real Brilliance was

454
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developing A system that you don't have

455
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to learn the gods you don't have to

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learn their language it's like here's a

457
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system of reason you can teach everybody

458
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you know because Greek's like hmm those

459
00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:21,480
guys are smart those guys are smart yeah

460
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,340
those those Black Sea guys with their

461
00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:24,720
shamanism

462
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:26,760
we're gonna come up with something here

463
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and uh when it comes to uh ritual and uh

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the mystery schools and magic and

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hermeticism of course

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um uh being taught and accumulated in

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Alexandria and then spread out through

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around the world was that the the the

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the the origins of everything

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well that was your your most tremendous

471
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point of collecting and dispersing

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material

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when uh when Aristotle was teaching

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Alexander the Great

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uh he said Egypt would be the place to

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collect all the world's wisdom

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he says because of the climate

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things can endure there

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so

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Alexander being a good student and you

481
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know finishing his studies at age 13 and

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going off and conquering the world like

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you do uh

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started the idea that Alexandria would

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be the place that all wisdom went to

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and then the Greeks that ruled Egypt

487
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afterward the ptolemais uh particularly

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you've told me soda the one that built

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the library says we're going to

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literally collect all the wisdom in the

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world

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um and so like when a ship would come

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into Port they would search it they

494
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would take the books off they would copy

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them send them back say thank you are

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and it was a collection of Knowledge

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from India there was stuff they had from

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China there's stuff deeper in Africa as

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well as Egyptian staff Greek stuff

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Persian stuff

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it was the first time that mankind said

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we need to collect what we know we

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probably know a lot

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you you had mentioned and uh I want to

505
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Circle back to this uh that the

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foundation uh coming out of Egypt was

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mind-body and soul and then he brought

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up the Great Pyramid can we go back to

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as we live as human beings we will begin

510
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to understand there's more to ourselves

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than just our daytime life

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we begin to have a sense that hey our

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ancestors are are totally gone I get a

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sense of of dad or Granddad or something

515
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in certain places human beings become

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aware of multiple realities

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and the multiple realities have

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different rules

519
00:23:01,730 --> 00:22:59,880
ah they respond in different ways and

520
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the purpose of life is to become aware

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of as many places you're existing

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and get all of your parts working

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together and talking to each other

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so they had an extensive Soul craft they

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they recognized different parts of the

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body different parts of the Soul

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how is it

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to have that kind of advanced I'm going

529
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to use the word philosophy it just has a

530
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:35,940
blanket okay but uh that kind of

531
00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:39,000
advanced philosophy about the self

532
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when the rest of the world was so many

533
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thousands of years behind them unless

534
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:47,580
somebody wasn't teaching

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00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,340
the Egyptians I don't want to get too

536
00:23:54,409 --> 00:23:52,799
conspiratorial but it seems like a

537
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:54,419
pretty great leap

538
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:56,340
well I've never I've never gone in for

539
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:57,780
the eight for the Extraterrestrial

540
00:24:03,470 --> 00:24:01,260
environment uh Source but for the

541
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:03,480
interesting things the Egyptians had

542
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:05,460
is early on

543
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:08,100
you mentioned it before they avoided war

544
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:09,480
and they could keep people's bellies

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full

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00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:13,740
and you suddenly had people living to

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00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:17,340
the amazingly old age for Earth at that

548
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,240
time Egyptians sometimes lived like 45.

549
00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:23,520
and some of the Pharaohs lived a really

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long time uh Ramesses the second lived

551
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96 years that's right

552
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:30,480
um

553
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:32,280
they must have really thought he was a

554
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god at that point right can you imagine

555
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:37,500
like well yes my grandfather said he was

556
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:39,240
an old man you know

557
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:40,679
um

558
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:43,500
but partially it's also an attitude it's

559
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,440
like ah what I need to discover

560
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:49,039
is in here

561
00:24:52,750 --> 00:24:51,179
humankind's first study should be

562
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,760
humankind

563
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,200
did you did you feel that you went

564
00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:57,120
through your own personal Journey that

565
00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:00,600
was similar your own hero's journey that

566
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:04,340
uh paralleled some of these uh practices

567
00:25:10,029 --> 00:25:07,380
uh when it comes to Magic oh certainly

568
00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:10,039
you know one of the uh no one starts out

569
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:12,659
uh usually to be a magician you know

570
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,059
when you get those uh career surveys in

571
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,220
high school it wasn't even a thing you

572
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:19,740
could mark off right

573
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:21,780
um magic usually happens because

574
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:24,299
something in yourself very deep in

575
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:25,860
yourself

576
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:29,460
causes you to have a moment of Awakening

577
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,539
of things becoming clear to you

578
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:35,460
um sometimes several moments if you're

579
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:37,020
particularly dumb

580
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:40,440
and you then have to go and say why did

581
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:42,900
that happen what does what why are

582
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:44,700
certain things interesting to me that

583
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:47,580
weren't interesting before

584
00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:50,039
and then there are various processes to

585
00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:52,760
go through uh there's times that it's

586
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:55,620
ecstatic and beautiful and lovely and

587
00:26:02,210 --> 00:25:59,279
you know as as gurjief says it's roses

588
00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:02,220
roses roses until it's Thorns Thorns

589
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,020
Thorns that's right

590
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:07,440
and you have moments in that uh are dry

591
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,200
or sad or depressing

592
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:12,840
um and at the right time

593
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:14,220
um

594
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:16,440
a teacher will appear to you when you

595
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:18,659
are ready uh that can happen it happened

596
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:20,760
in my life

597
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:23,760
what happened I found a teacher at the

598
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:25,500
right moment

599
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,679
I had for some years uh attempted

600
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:31,679
practice a new cult

601
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:33,960
and I go on for a while and I was

602
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:35,880
looking around at other occultists and I

603
00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:39,480
was like man how old were you uh let me

604
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:42,059
see I probably started my practice my

605
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:46,799
kind of serious practice uh about 23. 23

606
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,919
years old okay gotcha gotcha and I went

607
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,360
around for a while and I started

608
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:52,799
noticing I looked around at the occult

609
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:55,020
community and man most these guys are

610
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,000
you know they're a couple of tacos short

611
00:27:02,450 --> 00:26:59,760
of a combination plate right I'm like

612
00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:02,460
why am I doing this if that's how it

613
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:05,400
winds up you know yeah I can tell I can

614
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:07,260
you know affect some things I can get

615
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:09,299
better dreams and so forth but I'm not

616
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:10,740
seeing anybody coming out on the other

617
00:27:15,310 --> 00:27:13,799
side that's sane so

618
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:15,320
I gave it up

619
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:19,500
completely gave it up uh when I was 28.

620
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:21,179
no more I'm not gonna do this stuff

621
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:22,140
anymore

622
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,659
uh I am a writer of Science Fiction and

623
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:26,640
Horror in addition to my other

624
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:27,659
um

625
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,080
things that I do and I received uh way

626
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:34,320
back in 1988 uh request to write a short

627
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,840
story based on the Salem witch trials

628
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,120
that was going to come out at the 300th

629
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:40,799
anniversary and I was like oh cool went

630
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,980
off and I uh began reading about the

631
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:45,600
Salem Rush trials

632
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,360
and I spent one day uh doing an analysis

633
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,159
of that so I could write my story what

634
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,080
are the steps how did this how did this

635
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:54,240
hysteria come into I made a nice little

636
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:56,279
chart myself and I laid down

637
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:58,500
and to reward myself I did what all

638
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:00,419
Americans do I turned on the TV and

639
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,480
there was Geraldo Rivera Satanism in

640
00:28:08,029 --> 00:28:04,799
America

641
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,039
it's swirling red and black Baphomet and

642
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,080
musical stuff

643
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:12,480
and they had all these people talking on

644
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:14,220
these occult experts who were saying

645
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,380
things I picked up my chart

646
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:18,240
and I started marking off all the things

647
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:19,740
from the state and Witch Trials I'm like

648
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:22,740
wow we are we are same place we were 300

649
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:24,659
years ago

650
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:27,059
and there was one guy there that kind of

651
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,400
an odd looking guy had weird eyebrows

652
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:31,380
named Michael Queen oh

653
00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:35,100
uh and the uh the the experts were all

654
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:36,900
you know kind of fought to the human

655
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:39,960
part his ways and at one point this one

656
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:43,440
man many guy was named Tom witch a huge

657
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,240
huge guy does this

658
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:47,279
high up the address of every state

659
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:49,140
invest in America and I know all their

660
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:50,220
crimes

661
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:52,500
that's a good Aquino by the way that's a

662
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:55,679
pretty good Aquino and then uh I call

663
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,200
you know look at them in this set oh why

664
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,000
don't you arrest them

665
00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:02,640
and and that was such a a deflating

666
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:05,220
remark this guy had nothing to say and I

667
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:07,140
saw her Geraldo make a gesture I heard

668
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:08,820
them cut off

669
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,679
Michael's Mike

670
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:12,480
well the next game you know I was

671
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,980
talking to my friends I said that's got

672
00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,140
to be Supernatural Powers he made

673
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:18,659
Geraldo Rivera shut up

674
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:20,279
I would give anything interesting this

675
00:29:25,149 --> 00:29:22,140
guy a fan letter

676
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:25,159
and one of my friends very distinguished

677
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:27,539
businesswoman in Austin

678
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:30,179
gave me kind of this stink eye and I

679
00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:32,039
thought oh great probably said the wrong

680
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:33,899
thing because of her

681
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,820
and as we're leaving the house she

682
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:38,399
walked over hey do you really want to

683
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,460
see Dr Cleo fan later and I thought

684
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,679
where did Dr cleano come from because

685
00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:45,299
they've been using this military title

686
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:48,299
right and I said yeah well I'm seeing

687
00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:49,260
him next week at the international

688
00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:51,059
conclave of the Temple of Statin I could

689
00:29:55,789 --> 00:29:53,159
take the letter to you

690
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,799
I was dumbstruck here was somebody who

691
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:58,080
had a real job

692
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,940
that could talk about things that

693
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:01,500
weren't in the occult that was in good

694
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:03,960
health and mentally stable

695
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,820
and made pretty good money and I thought

696
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,880
wow this is like what I want to be so I

697
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:10,980
sent them off a letter

698
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:13,559
he wrote back and eventually I joined

699
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:16,159
the local group and the local group here

700
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:20,640
uh was run by Dr Stephen flowers who uh

701
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:22,620
also is known as a great Rune magician

702
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:23,700
as written

703
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:27,720
God I don't know 60 books at this point

704
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:31,200
and I was at the place where I had gone

705
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,299
as far as I could go

706
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,480
and literally not seeking it the teacher

707
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,600
appeared to me so then I had to well

708
00:30:43,370 --> 00:30:41,940
that's pretty classic there's there's my

709
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,380
initiator

710
00:30:48,769 --> 00:30:45,840
uh and so I applied and applied myself

711
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:48,779
and um

712
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:57,110
were you uh taking guidance from Aquino

713
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,460
or from flowers flowers for my personal

714
00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:01,919
this year right I mean obviously uh

715
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,659
myself and Dr quinoa became very good

716
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:06,000
friends I uh I even wrote the

717
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:09,419
introduction to his autobiography

718
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:11,820
um and not to talk about Aquino but he

719
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:14,700
was a pretty he was a pretty big

720
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:17,340
he was a pretty big personality I don't

721
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,140
know how else to put it

722
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:22,020
um uh but a pretty strong personality

723
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:24,360
was he misinterpreted

724
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:26,460
oh sure mainly he was misinterpreted

725
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,399
because a uh lawsuit was bought against

726
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:31,799
him and his wife alleging them of child

727
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:35,460
abuse right and this got tremendous you

728
00:31:36,669 --> 00:31:36,120
know

729
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:36,679
um

730
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:40,200
that was a big big deal

731
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:44,340
and you know the the truth which is much

732
00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:46,380
uh always much less interesting than the

733
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:48,779
star was he was literally not even in

734
00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:51,960
the city of San Francisco when he was uh

735
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,539
supposedly doing these things he was

736
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,919
actually in government training in

737
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,600
Washington he's like you know look I

738
00:32:02,810 --> 00:31:59,580
signed a book there every day

739
00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:02,820
and the lawsuit of course failed but

740
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:04,440
because it was made for millions of

741
00:32:09,409 --> 00:32:07,260
dollars drew a lot of attention right

742
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:09,419
and it took this guy that did not like

743
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:11,100
the public eye and have him go out he

744
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:13,260
started on talk shows and

745
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:14,820
you know saying here's what I'm really

746
00:32:21,049 --> 00:32:17,820
about now I think he gets a lot of

747
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:21,059
attention because he was a Green Beret

748
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:22,980
and especially with psychological

749
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,899
warfare

750
00:32:30,669 --> 00:32:27,600
and and he had a he had a unique look

751
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:30,679
oh yeah yeah the eyebrow thing

752
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:33,240
he had a unique look that didn't help

753
00:32:39,310 --> 00:32:37,500
things when the public because excuse me

754
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:39,320
the whole satanic Panic thing

755
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:42,419
overwhelmed the country and it goes uh

756
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:44,100
it's a point that needs to be brought up

757
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:48,539
here because it was uh it was widespread

758
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:51,659
it was widespread it was probably as big

759
00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:53,940
of a deal as like when the Exorcist you

760
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,480
know came out in theaters in 72.

761
00:33:02,450 --> 00:32:59,880
oh no it was it was it was a big deal

762
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:02,460
and it uh

763
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,380
there was a for a while a group of

764
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:07,679
people who were occult experts selling

765
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:10,200
their services to Cops and the FBI and

766
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:12,659
so forth for large amounts of money

767
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,380
in the FBI uh made a huge study the

768
00:33:21,169 --> 00:33:19,679
Lansing study who said we studied a

769
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,179
thousand cases so we can't find any

770
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:23,220
examples

771
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:26,399
but things like that pass right there's

772
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:29,100
always hysteria you know like pizzagate

773
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:31,980
right oh yeah they're abusing babies in

774
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:34,260
the basement of that Pizzeria there's

775
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:36,360
not even a basement yeah there's not

776
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:38,460
even a basement but yet backwards

777
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:43,320
masking of songs and uh uh hidden

778
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:44,820
messages and things yeah you're right

779
00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:46,620
these things come and go

780
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:48,659
you know they're they're exciting I mean

781
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:51,840
our conspiracy theories uh

782
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:54,659
do really well because they're exciting

783
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,519
and because a lot of them can't be

784
00:34:06,590 --> 00:33:58,880
disproven

785
00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:06,600
I I was uh just yeah I can't believe

786
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,339
we're talking about this but yesterday

787
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:10,800
or it might have been this morning

788
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:13,560
uh I was listening to a snippet of an

789
00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:15,720
interview with Jimmy Page you know the

790
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:18,179
guitar player for Led Zeppelin and he

791
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:21,300
said you know the hysteria started the

792
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,540
craziness started when supposedly John

793
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:26,879
is dead is played backwards on a Beatles

794
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:29,399
album right and or Paul is dead I'm

795
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:31,800
sorry Paul was dead and uh and he said

796
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:35,339
the next thing you know Led Zeppelin uh

797
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:38,520
comes out and and if you play Stairway

798
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,500
to Heaven backwards you know it said the

799
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:42,240
singing he goes I gotta tell you it's

800
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:44,520
hard enough to write songs front words

801
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:48,839
right there he goes but we never you

802
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:50,220
know and it was just a really really

803
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,000
good point but the Panic right and every

804
00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:56,639
bad friends that were were dragged into

805
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:59,700
court uh over this stuff and uh with

806
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:01,740
trials that lasted for months and months

807
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:03,300
and months

808
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:06,720
so yeah yeah things come and go

809
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:10,920
um back to uh flowers and and Aquino or

810
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:13,640
no Flowers Temple of set so you become

811
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,880
uh did you you don't look

812
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:20,400
temple of saddish

813
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,839
you know did did you did you have did

814
00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:26,940
you Adorn

815
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:29,000
no

816
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:31,380
there are three people that find that

817
00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:33,180
aesthetic very useful

818
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,020
uh I've never found it that useful

819
00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:38,640
uh and in a group that emphasizes

820
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,740
individuality it's gonna be what you

821
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:42,180
want to look like

822
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:44,220
so you didn't have but you didn't have a

823
00:35:49,609 --> 00:35:47,160
you didn't have a uniform no uniform no

824
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:49,619
black fingernail that was one of the

825
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:50,820
things right

826
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:53,640
um there's no tattoo on any part of my

827
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,599
body of an Arcane uh significance

828
00:36:05,569 --> 00:36:02,690
and and so you know we don't fit the the

829
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,579
the profile the public profile well

830
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:07,920
uh it's it's such an interesting point

831
00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:10,800
uh to make now okay so back to mind body

832
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:12,839
and soul system and you brought up uh

833
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:15,540
the pyramids uh and and the Great

834
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:17,579
Pyramid let's Circle back sorry for the

835
00:36:22,609 --> 00:36:20,579
Segway but so interesting

836
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,619
um a life's journey uh the hero's

837
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,000
journey is just so interesting to me

838
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:25,680
skip back to the point you wanted to

839
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:28,680
make on the Great Pyramid

840
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,880
well uh the Great Pyramid itself is is a

841
00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:34,079
fascinating

842
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,619
um

843
00:36:38,569 --> 00:36:36,960
device because you know this is device

844
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:38,579
for mortality

845
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:40,680
uh and there were two competing

846
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:42,839
religions in Egypt at the time there was

847
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:45,000
a solar religion that is you could just

848
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:46,020
go up

849
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,599
to the sun pyramid is the best shape but

850
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:50,880
there was also a stellar religion and

851
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,260
not many people know this but there's an

852
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:54,000
air shaft that runs through the Great

853
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:57,540
Pyramid that's focused on uh the

854
00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:59,339
constellation we call

855
00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:01,740
um the Big Dipper because the alternate

856
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:03,240
religion said well that's where your

857
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:06,119
souls go so the guy you know made sure

858
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:09,839
both of his uh possible locations we're

859
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,940
taken care of good good to be king right

860
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:13,560
you can spend money for a few things

861
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:15,540
like this

862
00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:16,680
um

863
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:18,380
in uh

864
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:22,440
1904 there was a moment when uh Aleister

865
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:25,380
Covey has taken his new wife Rose and

866
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:27,960
they were visiting Egypt and uh Rose had

867
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:29,640
zero interest in magic

868
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,380
that's not

869
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:33,119
but she said one night hey could you

870
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:36,060
show me some magic I really want to to

871
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,480
see this thing you do and so he left out

872
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:41,520
of Cairo in those days the pyramid

873
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:43,500
wasn't even guarded at night they went

874
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:47,160
inside and he'd been invocation

875
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,040
oh and she could kind of vaguely see

876
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:52,380
some some glowing shapes but then

877
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:54,540
suddenly she falls into a trance and

878
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,480
says they are waiting for you

879
00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,280
you know I was just like what the hell

880
00:38:03,770 --> 00:38:01,800
right you know you're calling me I'm

881
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:03,780
calling you they're waiting for me

882
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:05,820
and she says yeah and they went to a

883
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,260
museum and she pointed out various

884
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,540
figures that's God you know that one

885
00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:11,520
there on that Stella you defined It Was

886
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:13,079
Written there

887
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,180
a few days later Crowley did the work

888
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:17,160
that got What's called the book of the

889
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:21,240
law uh the modern occult Revival really

890
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:25,800
came out of uh Egypt 1904.

891
00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:28,020
um and again it was a trained magician

892
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,599
at the right time in his life

893
00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:32,640
it's not just the training it's also

894
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,619
being at the right time and maybe the

895
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:36,660
right space as well

896
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:39,420
there's something I I can't I'm still

897
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:41,940
unpacking it uh to be honest with you

898
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:45,000
and I've done so much research

899
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:46,980
um uh on the Great Pyramid Egypt in

900
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,220
general uh I've spent my life on it

901
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:53,760
um but there I what I got from the Great

902
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:56,520
Pyramid is and what I expected and you

903
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:59,160
hear so much about

904
00:39:02,810 --> 00:38:59,820
um

905
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,820
uh you know different experiences and

906
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:04,560
spiritual things and people going in and

907
00:39:10,210 --> 00:39:08,520
you know the king's chamber and this

908
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,220
um

909
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,320
it seemed

910
00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:15,359
mechanical to me I I don't have another

911
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:17,099
way to explain it

912
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,119
um other than when you go to uh these

913
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:23,940
other pyramids or these other sites and

914
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:26,940
and certainly Temple sites very

915
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:30,300
spiritual very deep very heavy

916
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,300
um very fun you you are moved and it's

917
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:35,119
it's a great experience to go through

918
00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:38,099
the the Great Pyramid to me was kind of

919
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:47,390
yeah it was very mechanical so when I

920
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:50,040
walked into the grand Gallery expecting

921
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,780
something I you know I don't know what I

922
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,480
was expecting Don you know but you know

923
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:56,760
if I was going to see if I was going to

924
00:40:02,210 --> 00:40:00,420
be rose right with Alistar

925
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:02,220
um I I don't know I was kind of hoping

926
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:06,000
for something but I was drawn into its

927
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:07,200
starkness

928
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:09,660
it's it's it's it's it's it's not

929
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,420
adorned it's not beautiful it's it's

930
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:15,359
very mechanical very mechanical yeah it

931
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,380
looks very different than the rest of

932
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:18,480
everything going on in Egypt I mean in

933
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:20,280
the temples you had this place that

934
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,740
thousands of people went for worship

935
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:24,480
you know and there should be there's a

936
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:27,240
concentrated feeling there you know of

937
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,200
worship whereas the Great Pyramid was

938
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:34,079
it was a launching device

939
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:35,880
you know be like visiting

940
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,040
um something on Cape organelle

941
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:41,400
it could be yeah yeah

942
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:43,320
could be could be

943
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:47,220
um and uh going back to uh the Temple of

944
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:50,220
set and and your journey and and the

945
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:53,400
basis for this book you have to develop

946
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:55,560
I'm assuming

947
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:58,859
ethics right do you do you set up your

948
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:00,599
own boundaries and did you do that

949
00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:02,460
naturally or did you have somebody talk

950
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,420
to you about this well I if the the one

951
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:08,400
of the most shocking things about magic

952
00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:10,859
is if you have not considered ethics

953
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:13,020
before you will

954
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,380
because you can affect other people and

955
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,680
let's take a very common uh magical

956
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,839
exercise there is any number of spells

957
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:24,000
in every magical tradition in the world

958
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:25,800
could make people fall in love with you

959
00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:27,720
love spells common

960
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:29,180
no

961
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:32,579
what's bigger Love or Money

962
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:36,900
about the same get laid or get paid yeah

963
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,500
but then you really have to consider

964
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:43,440
are you [\h__\h] with someone else's will

965
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:45,540
make someone fall in love with you and

966
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:47,940
and was there a bad consequence

967
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,700
uh or you you get someone uh to fall in

968
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,560
love with you and you realize whoa I

969
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,480
didn't I wasn't looking for that I was

970
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:56,160
actually looking for sex

971
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:57,960
and now I have this person that you know

972
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:01,619
that's adores me and what what do I do

973
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:04,800
uh if you believe through your practice

974
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,619
you can can bring about health people

975
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,839
you have to think where where I draw the

976
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:11,880
line about how much energy I'm using to

977
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:15,900
to help this person magic Force issue to

978
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,300
begin to think about ethics

979
00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:21,119
and then in the course of the book for

980
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:23,880
each month exercise

981
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:26,940
there are sometimes in a kind of oblique

982
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:28,619
hidden way but there are questions that

983
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:30,300
are ethical

984
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:32,280
like how would you do this how did you

985
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:34,020
feel about that

986
00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:37,260
one of the first uh exercises I give

987
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,460
people

988
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:40,800
is I give them a sweetening exercise now

989
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:43,260
sweetening magic is really simple it

990
00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:46,440
exists in American hoodoo uh anybody can

991
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:49,140
do this you take a pot of sugar

992
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:52,200
you write on a piece of paper

993
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:55,079
the name of somebody that you want you

994
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:56,520
want them to feel better about you I

995
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,720
don't mean love I mean just just

996
00:43:01,790 --> 00:42:59,280
generally better you're not your boss to

997
00:43:03,050 --> 00:43:01,800
feel better about you or a cardboard you

998
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:03,060
put it in the bottom of the sugar bowl

999
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:05,339
and then from time to time

1000
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,619
just think about that person lift your

1001
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,359
hand on the Sugar Bowl really simple

1002
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:11,880
magic and it will sweeten people they

1003
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:14,220
will you know begin to respond now that

1004
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,960
may be just psychological right maybe

1005
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,760
you act better around them I'm not

1006
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:19,920
concerned about the mechanism

1007
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:22,200
but then that's a good place to begin to

1008
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:24,119
think about ethics it's not ethically

1009
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,280
right for me to do

1010
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,319
um and that's a small it's a very small

1011
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:30,420
thing and you most people say well yeah

1012
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:33,180
that's right because it makes my job

1013
00:43:37,870 --> 00:43:35,160
smoother it makes me happier

1014
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,880
or you may come to conclusion no right

1015
00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:41,040
that's not that's a bounty for me

1016
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:43,319
oh

1017
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,700
I don't

1018
00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:47,040
prescribe ethics for anyone but I

1019
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,079
prescribe the search for ethics to

1020
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,640
everybody

1021
00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:53,359
how do you unsweeten the pot

1022
00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:55,380
if you want someone to talk to just you

1023
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:57,060
want something to dislike you I mean no

1024
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,400
you did the sweetening and you went okay

1025
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:01,440
you know that was just too good

1026
00:44:05,530 --> 00:44:03,660
how do I can you turn it back down is it

1027
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:05,540
a bowl of salt

1028
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:08,220
would work uh I would I would take the

1029
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:10,619
paper out soak it in vinegar till the

1030
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:12,300
name disappears

1031
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:15,240
wow this is great but it's a symbolic

1032
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,920
action I mean it's not the sugar or the

1033
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,200
salt or the symbolism is what makes this

1034
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,480
happen right all right because we we

1035
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:23,940
think symbolically that's kind of the

1036
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,520
the big thing humans have going on

1037
00:44:30,829 --> 00:44:28,380
so you kind of avoided the question

1038
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:30,839
though that's a great answer and you

1039
00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:32,760
answered it but there was something else

1040
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:35,220
I was trying to get to were you

1041
00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:37,380
developing these ethics on your own

1042
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,000
going into this

1043
00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:42,240
uh well certainly my teachers told me

1044
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,660
early on that ethics are necessary

1045
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:47,280
and you know and begin with just the

1046
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,220
basic ethics of you're not going to use

1047
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,440
any mind control devices on your mind

1048
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,000
control spells on people in this group

1049
00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:56,400
okay sure that I got that one

1050
00:45:02,690 --> 00:44:59,579
uh you know you should think about

1051
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,700
whether you're cursing someone

1052
00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:04,079
right because it's a really beautiful

1053
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:06,440
idea I'm mad at someone and I'm gonna

1054
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,079
stick the pin in the doll whatever

1055
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:12,720
While most magicians will have the uh

1056
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:15,060
phenomena that most of your medic

1057
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,680
doesn't do anything you can do that you

1058
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:18,780
know 10 times nothing happens and then

1059
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:20,040
one time you do it and suddenly there's

1060
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:22,380
a result and then it's all entirely

1061
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,260
different ballgame

1062
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:27,359
if you discover I can cause harm to

1063
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,200
someone

1064
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:31,200
then that will deeply await you either

1065
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:33,900
to become ethical or you're on your way

1066
00:45:38,089 --> 00:45:35,940
to being a jerk now

1067
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:38,099
the main thing

1068
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,460
that is I think the big difference is

1069
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:42,800
magic

1070
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,000
immortalizes the soul you're becoming

1071
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,460
aware of your Immortal self do you want

1072
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:49,920
to be a jerk for the rest of time

1073
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,900
and there's consequences for everything

1074
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,280
right so

1075
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:55,560
uh you may get away with being a jerk

1076
00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:57,660
once but somewhere down the road the

1077
00:46:01,730 --> 00:46:00,599
universe will balance things out well uh

1078
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,740
either you know if you're an assistant

1079
00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:03,420
believes in Karma you think the universe

1080
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,339
will do it but just you know even in a

1081
00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:07,859
non-carmic system

1082
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:09,300
um if you're jerk you're gonna get your

1083
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:10,680
comeuppance

1084
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:13,500
you know if all you do is take from

1085
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:16,319
people eventually you're going to be

1086
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,640
eliminated uh if you give and teach and

1087
00:46:26,089 --> 00:46:22,859
nourish and protect people you'll be

1088
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,099
given to and taught and nourished

1089
00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:29,520
now let's let's say we get all of this

1090
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:32,040
out of the way these foundations and I

1091
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:34,380
love the Sugar Bowl thing

1092
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:38,460
um uh I wrote it down uh by the way

1093
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:43,140
um I I love that it so once you uh get

1094
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:45,960
these Basics answered for yourself you

1095
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,839
know you set up some guidelines

1096
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,359
um you know ethics boundaries and you

1097
00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:54,240
understand uh what this what this

1098
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,240
journey will be in in the future

1099
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:00,000
um how do you how do you get into this

1100
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:01,200
is for everybody that's going to be

1101
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:03,300
reading the book how do you prepare

1102
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:05,400
yourself for chapter one we'll discuss

1103
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,800
some of the chapters after the break but

1104
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:09,599
how do you prepare yourself best for

1105
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:11,400
chapter one

1106
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:13,319
well the first thing I tell people to do

1107
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,740
uh is you read the entire book you know

1108
00:47:21,290 --> 00:47:19,200
you don't have to to just read one

1109
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,300
chapter time as you're going ahead read

1110
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:23,040
it to the very end see how it's

1111
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:25,980
structured so as a month is coming along

1112
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:27,960
you've got the material you wanted you

1113
00:47:31,089 --> 00:47:29,460
thought about what you want to do what

1114
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:31,099
it's going to be like

1115
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:35,280
uh the best preparation if you do not

1116
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:37,500
have a magical background and I'm

1117
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,700
assuming by the way that most people

1118
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:39,839
reading the book will have tried

1119
00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:41,220
something or they would have gone and

1120
00:47:46,609 --> 00:47:42,839
bought the book sure

1121
00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:46,619
um is to prepare yourself to have two

1122
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,420
things very strong like the sense of

1123
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:50,880
wonder a sense of wow that was amazing

1124
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:53,940
and a sense of being skeptical well

1125
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:56,040
really what happened there because those

1126
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,140
are your two best tools to walk into the

1127
00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:01,260
magical world with

1128
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:03,060
uh

1129
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:09,420
yeah okay now what if if somebody picks

1130
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:13,800
up this book and is like it's [\h__\h]

1131
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,980
this isn't going to work for them is it

1132
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:18,839
um well probably they wouldn't try it

1133
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,300
you know if they believe it but but you

1134
00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:24,000
know what I'm saying right you have to

1135
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:27,300
have a certain amount of I won't say

1136
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,680
belief because I don't want you to

1137
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:30,000
believe in something that you don't have

1138
00:48:34,250 --> 00:48:31,980
yet but to think of I'm going to give

1139
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:34,260
this a try I consider this as something

1140
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,420
that may happen I consider it to

1141
00:48:39,849 --> 00:48:37,920
something that may have already happened

1142
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:39,859
in my life

1143
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:43,020
and there is um

1144
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:46,260
I've often wondered if

1145
00:48:50,809 --> 00:48:49,500
um the the applications of certain

1146
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:50,819
things and it doesn't matter it could be

1147
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:52,980
tarot cards it could be a spirit board

1148
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,319
or or this but whatever a bowl of sugar

1149
00:48:59,170 --> 00:48:57,119
that

1150
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,180
um and like you said it's the intention

1151
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,880
it it's it's how you apply it it's not

1152
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:05,280
necessarily the vehicle or something

1153
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:08,339
physical to get there correct correct

1154
00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:09,119
yeah

1155
00:49:15,170 --> 00:49:12,540
I did the physical things do help your

1156
00:49:17,329 --> 00:49:15,180
brain achieve certain trans States

1157
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:17,339
and the brain is more efficient there

1158
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,859
that's right that's right that's right I

1159
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,880
did

1160
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:22,740
um I'm not going to get into specifics

1161
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:26,220
uh don but I did something about 25

1162
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:28,740
years ago with somebody

1163
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:30,420
and

1164
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:31,740
um

1165
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:35,220
and I did and it involved a name right

1166
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:38,640
and I and I did all of that and somebody

1167
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:41,160
that I had never met

1168
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,800
it was like six months later

1169
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,359
this person

1170
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,280
was my friend

1171
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:49,680
and I was like wait wait wait whoa whoa

1172
00:49:56,809 --> 00:49:52,020
whoa whoa and at the time

1173
00:50:01,069 --> 00:49:56,819
uh it seemed more evolutionary right it

1174
00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:01,079
didn't seem like it was intact but when

1175
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:05,099
when I did it it was it was not a

1176
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:06,900
question of the this was a possibility

1177
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,839
right do you follow what I'm saying but

1178
00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:11,880
then it it's just slowly and then six

1179
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,280
months later and I remember I didn't

1180
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,859
tell anybody right I didn't tell my

1181
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,480
friend didn't know this was my own

1182
00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:20,160
little thing and I remember sitting down

1183
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,380
going holy crap

1184
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,440
stuff works but I was wondering if it

1185
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:28,380
was my intention of entanglement and

1186
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:30,660
quantum physics right and reaching out

1187
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,579
to the universe and Consciousness

1188
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:35,040
connecting and and had nothing to do

1189
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,780
with what we had done six months before

1190
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:39,119
which one do you think is the correct

1191
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,819
idea uh I I don't think you could

1192
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:43,920
probably separate those

1193
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:46,380
um because the mechanism which you know

1194
00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:48,780
could could easily be you know Quantum

1195
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,740
weirdness

1196
00:50:53,049 --> 00:50:51,359
uh

1197
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:53,059
your intent

1198
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:55,500
was purified it was something that was

1199
00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:58,619
really strong for a brief period of time

1200
00:51:02,089 --> 00:51:00,359
it doesn't matter whether you really

1201
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:02,099
believed there would be results or not

1202
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:03,540
like I think you usually get better

1203
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,579
magic if you don't care that much about

1204
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:07,440
the result

1205
00:51:10,849 --> 00:51:09,059
um

1206
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:10,859
and then once that once it is done I

1207
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:12,599
mean that's sending a message

1208
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:15,720
uh a lot of magic in fact there's one

1209
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:19,020
mad School of magical a semiotic theory

1210
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,180
of magic it's very popular right now

1211
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,280
uh thinks that magic is about sending

1212
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:25,619
messages you send a message to the other

1213
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:28,140
Hidden Side of the universe and then the

1214
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:30,540
universe responds now it may respond

1215
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:32,520
with what exactly we want hey I want

1216
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:34,140
money okay here's some money

1217
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:36,780
or we might say hey I want money yeah go

1218
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:37,980
get a job

1219
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:38,940
um

1220
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:40,680
the message may not be the message you

1221
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:41,940
want because that's what real

1222
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:43,980
communication is

1223
00:51:49,210 --> 00:51:46,559
but the semiotic theory says we're we're

1224
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:49,220
talking with the universe all the time

1225
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,660
and the universe is quite happy to

1226
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,280
answer

1227
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:54,480
we just have to learn a little bit more

1228
00:51:59,150 --> 00:51:56,760
about the rules what makes it better

1229
00:52:01,549 --> 00:51:59,160
for them to answer and you have to pay

1230
00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:01,559
attention you absolutely have to pay

1231
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:04,020
attention you have to pay attention so

1232
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:06,300
many out there if you were going to put

1233
00:52:08,770 --> 00:52:08,040
a number on this before we get to the

1234
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:08,780
break

1235
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:11,640
uh we've got eight billion people in the

1236
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:14,760
world right so if you were going to put

1237
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:18,240
a number on it how what percentage of

1238
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,800
the world does not have wonderment

1239
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:24,720
right doesn't consider they just think

1240
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:28,680
it's a 2d reality you die and it's over

1241
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:31,260
and and they you know they're just

1242
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:35,520
fixated with with with jobs and and cars

1243
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:39,000
and houses and and then the other side

1244
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:43,380
that understands or believes uh that

1245
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,260
there's something else going on

1246
00:52:50,450 --> 00:52:48,720
it would have to be really huge and it

1247
00:52:52,190 --> 00:52:50,460
would even include large numbers of

1248
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:52,200
people who claim to be religious or

1249
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,599
spiritual sure because they don't really

1250
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,640
you know don't really believe it you

1251
00:52:59,690 --> 00:52:58,380
know it makes them feel good or it helps

1252
00:53:02,089 --> 00:52:59,700
them socially

1253
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:02,099
I would say probably 90 of the world is

1254
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,750
how

1255
00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:11,390
oh man when we when we talk about

1256
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,040
hermeticism and I want to get into some

1257
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:15,839
chapters uh right after the break we've

1258
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:17,640
got about two minutes

1259
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:21,200
um the foundations of hermeticism

1260
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:25,260
when especially when I read what I can

1261
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:28,740
today it seems like it's difficult to

1262
00:53:34,370 --> 00:53:31,079
access the real stuff

1263
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:34,380
is the real hermeticism something that

1264
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:36,540
is kept from society and there's no

1265
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,460
matter what I try to do I'll never have

1266
00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:44,870
that was um the case for for centuries

1267
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:47,819
right that the for many many centuries

1268
00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:51,119
uh occult war was forbidden and the

1269
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:53,940
books were destroyed and you know maybe

1270
00:53:57,950 --> 00:53:55,500
by Word of Mouth you would find

1271
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:57,960
something now we live in a society where

1272
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:00,660
you have access to anything

1273
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:04,319
ever written amazingly quickly you know

1274
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:05,880
if you if you want spells from the Greek

1275
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:07,500
magical pyrite

1276
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:10,020
you can do a 10 minute give you a 10

1277
00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:11,700
second Google search and you'll have the

1278
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:14,520
original spell right there

1279
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:17,460
but the quality of doing magic is a

1280
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:19,380
hidden thing

1281
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,480
because it's hidden from us most of the

1282
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,000
time anyway and you have to be in the

1283
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,119
right place in mind to make use of this

1284
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:30,180
huge amount of information now now it's

1285
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,000
no longer the point of it's we see we

1286
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:35,280
search for it it's hard to find it's out

1287
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:38,280
there but finding the method in spirit

1288
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:40,440
is still as hard to find as it ever has

1289
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:41,940
been

1290
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:47,099
and was it because uh the I don't want

1291
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:49,260
to say the the powers I'd be people say

1292
00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:52,500
that too often but but those that are in

1293
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:53,880
control of different cultures and

1294
00:55:00,349 --> 00:54:57,300
societies around the world were

1295
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:00,359
um uh it obviously didn't wanted to the

1296
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:03,180
masses but would would also uh maybe

1297
00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:06,420
give up some of their mysticism and

1298
00:55:10,010 --> 00:55:07,859
their Mystique

1299
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:10,020
oh sure right you know if you if you you

1300
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:12,119
can can do things that impress people

1301
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:14,040
you don't want everybody in the

1302
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,720
congregation being able to do the same

1303
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,280
thing right

1304
00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:20,160
you know because you know magic is

1305
00:55:25,069 --> 00:55:22,859
wonderful at impressing people and then

1306
00:55:27,069 --> 00:55:25,079
if you throw in a lot of Imperial Pomp

1307
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,079
and Circumstance around that it's

1308
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,000
extraordinarily amazing

1309
00:55:37,930 --> 00:55:33,359
and how how were whether we're talking

1310
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:37,940
about Wizards or shamans or or magicians

1311
00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:41,460
uh or or priests

1312
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:45,300
um was there always some kind of show

1313
00:55:50,510 --> 00:55:48,720
that wasn't magic but would convince the

1314
00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:50,520
masses that something special was going

1315
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,800
on and the real magic they didn't know

1316
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:55,200
anything about oh absolutely right I

1317
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,520
mean the uh

1318
00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:58,619
the Tibetan llamas are really good at

1319
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,540
this because they're they're also really

1320
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:02,640
good at stage magic and so when they

1321
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,800
they would do a show they would do you

1322
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,720
know basically the Tibetan equivalent to

1323
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:08,720
pulling out you know

1324
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:12,000
you know maybe a yak out of a yurt and

1325
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:14,220
um but then it would do the real

1326
00:56:18,109 --> 00:56:16,500
mysticism and no one was knowing what

1327
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:18,119
that was because that would just look

1328
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:19,800
like the guy was concentrating really

1329
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:20,640
hard

1330
00:56:24,049 --> 00:56:22,680
yeah exactly let's take our break card

1331
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:24,059
here I guess tonight fascinating

1332
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:28,380
conversation Don Webb is with us uh stay

1333
00:56:32,990 --> 00:56:30,119
right there oh I didn't do it just

1334
00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:33,000
everybody stay right there I am not

1335
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:37,319
prepared with this but it's it's now

1336
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:40,140
coming at you we'll be right back

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00:56:44,329 --> 00:56:42,059
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am your host Jimmy Church man I got a

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short in my headphones I hate that when

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it happens our guest tonight Don Webb

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01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:03,299
and we're talking about a zoo book it's

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01:00:09,049 --> 01:00:05,640
called how to become a modern megas it's

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01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:09,059
right here uh fantastic read and Don I'm

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01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:13,440
so glad that uh this is the universe let

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01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,020
me let me jump in and say this

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01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:18,480
um your suggestion on how to read the

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01:00:25,549 --> 01:00:22,559
book is what I did on accident right I

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01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:25,559
skipped ahead and ended and and I felt

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01:00:29,809 --> 01:00:27,960
like I was cheating but that's what was

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01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:29,819
calling out to me I just I just couldn't

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01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,000
stop uh but I just love the universe and

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01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:35,520
and how that works can we

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01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:37,020
um I want to ask you a couple of

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01:00:41,230 --> 01:00:38,760
questions and then I want to jump around

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01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:41,240
and spend a little bit on each chapter

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01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:45,839
and and and and and what the uh what the

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01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,640
names represent in each chapter is

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01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:49,740
actually what I want to do

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01:00:58,010 --> 01:00:53,099
um but can I ask you about magic numbers

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01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:58,020
sure why is it that we see things all

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01:01:04,910 --> 01:00:59,040
the time

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01:01:10,430 --> 01:01:04,920
11 111 315 444 whatever it is for me

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01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:10,440
it's 14 14. uh or or 11 11. um and these

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01:01:16,370 --> 01:01:14,460
have started to rule my life

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01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:16,380
and are these numbers I need to be

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01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:18,900
paying attention to

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01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:20,760
yes but probably not in the sense you

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01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:22,740
mean uh let me tell you what I what what

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01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,780
I mean about that oh by the way you

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01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,400
really like my book it's keyed the

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01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:28,260
number 14 that is the magic number it's

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01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,299
key to you'll notice that each section

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01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:32,280
actually has 14 questions afterwards

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01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:34,440
anyway

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01:01:40,569 --> 01:01:38,280
see I knew it I knew it see see are you

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01:01:43,370 --> 01:01:40,579
bringing all your life for this one um

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01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:43,380
and and I will share a a story about

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01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:48,480
pizza the uh the numbers themselves

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01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:50,760
uh probably don't have a special power

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01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,220
now obviously some numbers have pretty

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01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,960
deep symbolism it's really hard to think

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01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:57,119
of the number three and not think of a

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01:02:01,970 --> 01:01:59,700
triangle and it's a first stable shape

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01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,980
and there's all sorts of things that are

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01:02:06,109 --> 01:02:03,359
there

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01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:06,119
but the main reason that we Fascinate

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01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:07,559
our numbers

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01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:10,020
it's a way that the hidden part of

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01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:11,520
ourselves can say hey you need to wake

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01:02:16,849 --> 01:02:13,859
up and pay attention

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01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:16,859
this is your personal wake-up call now

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01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:18,900
where people get confused is they assume

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01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,599
this is everybody's wake-up call

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01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:23,520
now some people will make their magical

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01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:25,680
systems based on a number

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01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:28,020
um Crowley based to his magical system

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01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:30,720
on the number 11.

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01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:31,440
um

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01:02:37,250 --> 01:02:35,220
for a variety of reasons and so then you

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01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:37,260
know throughout his life 11 and 11 11

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01:02:42,049 --> 01:02:39,780
were very important moments

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01:02:45,250 --> 01:02:42,059
but there's also a framing effect

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01:02:48,530 --> 01:02:45,260
if I told you you need to pay attention

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01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:48,540
about all things to the number 48 this

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01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:49,920
week where you're going to hear the

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01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,660
number 48 why because you hear it every

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01:02:55,010 --> 01:02:53,460
week somewhere but you will pay

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01:02:58,430 --> 01:02:55,020
attention to it

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01:03:00,829 --> 01:02:58,440
uh that can be used for Mentalist tricks

1482
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:00,839
now some years ago I was having uh

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01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:02,520
dinner one night with Rob Van Todd

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01:03:05,809 --> 01:03:03,960
Nelson

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01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,819
and Robert Anton Wilson has always

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01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:07,200
talked a lot in his books about the

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number 23 and he had just come from from

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01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,400
Dallas

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01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:13,680
and we were talking he says hey you know

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01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:15,660
this guy and I knew the the person he

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01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:17,160
was talking to

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01:03:22,730 --> 01:03:19,559
at the beginning of our talk pizza place

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01:03:25,069 --> 01:03:22,740
he says I figured out the number 23. and

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01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,079
Robert said well what'd you figure out

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01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,359
it's just framing you said pay attention

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01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,280
to it and then you see it everywhere

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01:03:33,530 --> 01:03:31,200
it's not like really magic or something

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01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,540
and Robert says that that's right it's

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01:03:38,329 --> 01:03:36,000
just a trick of the Mind this guy was

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01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,339
really excited and then the bill came

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01:03:42,049 --> 01:03:39,599
for the pizza

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01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,059
and it was 23 dollars

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01:03:47,049 --> 01:03:44,400
he just stared at me the rest of the

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01:03:49,930 --> 01:03:47,059
night with just this look of hate print

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01:03:52,849 --> 01:03:49,940
who picked up the tab though

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01:03:54,349 --> 01:03:52,859
well knowing with Robert and Wilson had

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01:03:55,690 --> 01:03:54,359
to be the other guy

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01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:55,700
um

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01:04:01,930 --> 01:04:00,960
comes I'm passing I'm sliding it right

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01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:01,940
across

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01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,640
it's yours that's a sign

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01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:07,680
that is a sign

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01:04:13,789 --> 01:04:10,980
um let's go through uh when when I first

1514
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:13,799
got the book and I'm just going to hold

1515
01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:15,900
this up uh to the camera let me see if I

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01:04:21,490 --> 01:04:19,319
can uh pull this up really quick so you

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01:04:27,049 --> 01:04:21,500
get to the table of contents everybody

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01:04:29,410 --> 01:04:27,059
and with with Fade to Black and what we

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01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:29,420
talk about and our guests on this show

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01:04:36,109 --> 01:04:33,000
is one thing and then you get the book

1521
01:04:38,510 --> 01:04:36,119
and you get the chat uh I got my studio

1522
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:38,520
lights up here but you get a list like

1523
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,359
this and it grabs your attention and I

1524
01:04:46,490 --> 01:04:44,640
felt like the book was written for me in

1525
01:04:51,230 --> 01:04:46,500
in my audience

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01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,240
um and so very intrigued by that in that

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01:04:58,250 --> 01:04:54,000
um uh well let's let's start let's go

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01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:01,390
all right uh chapter one is about

1529
01:05:07,010 --> 01:05:04,799
boundaries about beginnings and ends and

1530
01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:07,020
of course the Roman god for the boundary

1531
01:05:12,410 --> 01:05:09,480
is Janus that's why we named this month

1532
01:05:14,690 --> 01:05:12,420
after him January face looking forward

1533
01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:14,700
to the future Faith Looking Backward to

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01:05:18,589 --> 01:05:16,680
the Past

1535
01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:18,599
because once you cross a certain

1536
01:05:22,910 --> 01:05:21,480
threshold things are different and

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01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:22,920
that's the first thing you need to learn

1538
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:33,170
did um uh when we look at

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01:05:38,089 --> 01:05:34,880
say the Mayans

1540
01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:38,099
or even you know Central and and South

1541
01:05:43,309 --> 01:05:40,680
America but you mentioned China uh

1542
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:43,319
earlier but we certainly have Northern

1543
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:45,720
and and Western Europe to consider too

1544
01:05:51,049 --> 01:05:48,540
as well and and Nepal you know we can

1545
01:05:54,849 --> 01:05:51,059
throw that into the mix

1546
01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:54,859
um were these were these ideas

1547
01:06:00,049 --> 01:05:58,020
cross-pollinating and if they were how

1548
01:06:03,289 --> 01:06:00,059
did they get there without a

1549
01:06:05,870 --> 01:06:03,299
trans-oceanic culture you know where the

1550
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:05,880
Mayans were certainly talking about the

1551
01:06:11,390 --> 01:06:09,960
same things or uh and I I understand you

1552
01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:11,400
know where I'm going with this even

1553
01:06:17,530 --> 01:06:13,020
indigenous cultures here in North

1554
01:06:21,470 --> 01:06:17,540
America uh these these these ideas

1555
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:21,480
uh went around the world

1556
01:06:25,309 --> 01:06:23,640
well there's two things right of course

1557
01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:25,319
culture has talked to each other all the

1558
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:28,140
time and uh the world has never been as

1559
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:30,960
separate as you know sort of modern

1560
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,359
history teaches us

1561
01:06:39,289 --> 01:06:36,480
um you know we we know that uh there's

1562
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:39,299
always been large Oceanic voyages there

1563
01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:41,039
have been people walking from place to

1564
01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:43,260
place they're people that talk to each

1565
01:06:45,529 --> 01:06:44,280
other

1566
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:45,539
um

1567
01:06:50,510 --> 01:06:48,420
Egypt for example always made a huge

1568
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,520
amount of money buying things in India

1569
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:52,799
and selling them to Europe and and doing

1570
01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:55,079
their verse for before the Roman Empire

1571
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:57,000
I mean there's people have always

1572
01:07:00,650 --> 01:06:59,400
interacted because that's a thing humans

1573
01:07:02,809 --> 01:07:00,660
love to do

1574
01:07:05,569 --> 01:07:02,819
but there's the other thing is that if

1575
01:07:07,789 --> 01:07:05,579
we are indeed thinking about what's the

1576
01:07:10,430 --> 01:07:07,799
Deep structure of the universe

1577
01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:10,440
and you're finding it through your soul

1578
01:07:13,849 --> 01:07:12,119
and your body your mind you're going to

1579
01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:13,859
find some of the same things as this

1580
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,960
other guy it's more like we're comparing

1581
01:07:18,890 --> 01:07:17,280
notes

1582
01:07:20,569 --> 01:07:18,900
and we found out this what do your

1583
01:07:22,970 --> 01:07:20,579
shamans say well we have this going on

1584
01:07:25,010 --> 01:07:22,980
you know that passes I don't get that

1585
01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:25,020
one though

1586
01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:28,260
and that's always been uh part of of

1587
01:07:36,289 --> 01:07:33,420
humanity Humanity loves to share to uh

1588
01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:36,299
sneak in Knowledge from other places and

1589
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:38,220
magicians are always wanting that

1590
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,140
particularly secret knowledge and what's

1591
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,720
what's going on over there

1592
01:07:47,390 --> 01:07:45,119
if you look at the Greek magical pyrite

1593
01:07:48,829 --> 01:07:47,400
which were written you know in Egypt um

1594
01:07:52,849 --> 01:07:48,839
called Greek because they're mainly

1595
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,859
written in Greek uh my magicians are

1596
01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:54,960
around about the third and second

1597
01:07:59,569 --> 01:07:57,480
century BC they have of course Egyptian

1598
01:08:01,130 --> 01:07:59,579
spells Greek spells but they have spells

1599
01:08:03,529 --> 01:08:01,140
like they got from guys and you know

1600
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:03,539
this is an Ethiopian spell oh this is an

1601
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,400
Indian spell because they were

1602
01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:08,400
extraordinarily Cosmopolitan in you know

1603
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:10,140
probably much more so than like the

1604
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:12,420
average American is now

1605
01:08:19,789 --> 01:08:16,980
and uh and I'm referring to also uh the

1606
01:08:23,809 --> 01:08:19,799
Deep sense of spirituality that say

1607
01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:23,819
shamans and and Ayahuasca you know it

1608
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:26,279
was happening here where there was no

1609
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:30,420
contact with Europeans uh but the the

1610
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:34,080
thought of a a dark space in the heavens

1611
01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:37,920
and and and and spirituality it was it's

1612
01:08:42,829 --> 01:08:41,100
the same discussion around the world uh

1613
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,839
when you when you got into magic and

1614
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:45,600
when all of that meant when there was no

1615
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:48,719
communication between say the Mayans or

1616
01:08:54,189 --> 01:08:52,560
the the mountains in Nepal and Egypt

1617
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:54,199
foreign

1618
01:09:00,349 --> 01:08:58,620
going back to the same sources uh and so

1619
01:09:03,050 --> 01:09:00,359
that when when there is communication

1620
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,060
it's extremely fertile

1621
01:09:06,769 --> 01:09:05,040
um but I think very much I thought you

1622
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:06,779
could probably just take any group of

1623
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:09,420
humans and give them enough time they

1624
01:09:15,169 --> 01:09:11,940
will develop a recognizable magic system

1625
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:15,179
to recognizable mysticism

1626
01:09:22,249 --> 01:09:17,699
go to chapter two Agni

1627
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,259
Agni the uh Sanskrit god of fire first

1628
01:09:27,169 --> 01:09:24,480
element I have people deal with of the

1629
01:09:28,189 --> 01:09:27,179
four classical elements is fire fires

1630
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:28,199
desire

1631
01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:30,719
really wanting something where your

1632
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,239
magic should start and as you know fire

1633
01:09:37,630 --> 01:09:35,520
has a lot of properties good and bad too

1634
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:37,640
much fire is another good thing

1635
01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:40,319
uh to build fire you freeze to death

1636
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:43,380
fire transforms things oh I can cook my

1637
01:09:52,430 --> 01:09:50,689
and uh the um oh oh oh oh oh staying on

1638
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:52,440
that for a second

1639
01:09:57,229 --> 01:09:53,120
um

1640
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,239
fire is something that is is very strong

1641
01:10:01,550 --> 01:09:59,280
and that I'm talking about it in a

1642
01:10:05,169 --> 01:10:01,560
visual sense and it's always used it's

1643
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:05,179
always there it's it's a thing

1644
01:10:11,630 --> 01:10:08,640
Gandalf lasers coming out of somebody's

1645
01:10:13,610 --> 01:10:11,640
hands and and and so forth there's

1646
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:13,620
there's that and then we have the other

1647
01:10:21,169 --> 01:10:16,920
part like uh salt or different things

1648
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,179
around the hap how physical is is is is

1649
01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:23,040
this stuff needed

1650
01:10:27,649 --> 01:10:24,780
um and fire as a boundary for instance

1651
01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:27,659
and and salt is a boundary

1652
01:10:34,250 --> 01:10:31,020
well it's needed not in the sense that

1653
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,260
say using like a tradition uses salt for

1654
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,480
uh you know that that kind of purpose

1655
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:39,120
it's not because sodium chloride uh

1656
01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:41,520
molecule is going to scare away an evil

1657
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:45,480
spirit it's because the mind needs

1658
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:48,960
strong symbols to work with

1659
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,800
uh that's why in our current Society one

1660
01:10:56,930 --> 01:10:54,239
of the reasons that people are really

1661
01:10:59,570 --> 01:10:56,940
sad is a lot of our symbols have been

1662
01:11:02,510 --> 01:10:59,580
removed so for example money is

1663
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:02,520
something people don't see anymore

1664
01:11:05,570 --> 01:11:04,860
you know get your check it goes in my

1665
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,580
bank

1666
01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:07,679
you know I don't have like a wad of cash

1667
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:09,780
certainly don't have a pile of you know

1668
01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:12,120
silver and gold

1669
01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:13,020
um

1670
01:11:17,290 --> 01:11:15,060
things are very kind of abstracted that

1671
01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:17,300
way I think that's hard on people

1672
01:11:22,610 --> 01:11:20,520
uh it's not the element but it's the

1673
01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:22,620
fact that the physicality of the element

1674
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,500
can teach you things directly you and I

1675
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:28,080
could talk about fire all night and

1676
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:30,420
we're both men of obviously you know

1677
01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:33,900
great vocabulary and ways of speech but

1678
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:35,880
that's nothing compared to light a

1679
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,300
candle build a campfire right right

1680
01:11:44,590 --> 01:11:41,760
right right right and then we get okay

1681
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:44,600
uh I wanted to spend some time on this

1682
01:11:50,689 --> 01:11:48,360
uh love I mean that's that's strong all

1683
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:50,699
right it's one of the strongest emotions

1684
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:54,960
and if if not uh the strongest emotion

1685
01:12:03,770 --> 01:12:00,550
yeah

1686
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:03,780
love Frey Freya you know whose name is

1687
01:12:06,290 --> 01:12:05,340
interesting because it just means the

1688
01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:06,300
lady

1689
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:08,520
you know and actually her her real name

1690
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,860
is like it's a hidden secret among

1691
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:12,960
certain people so we just called her the

1692
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:13,860
lady

1693
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:17,040
love is a very strange thing because it

1694
01:12:23,149 --> 01:12:20,159
can exist in so many different ways uh

1695
01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:23,159
the erotic love of a man to a woman and

1696
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:24,659
it could be any kind of erotic love

1697
01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:29,750
but erotic of this different than

1698
01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:31,560
motherly love and it's different the

1699
01:12:37,970 --> 01:12:33,780
love you might have for an older

1700
01:12:40,370 --> 01:12:37,980
relative or the love you show a beloved

1701
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:40,380
teacher and all these things are related

1702
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:43,020
in some way and it's a great way to

1703
01:12:49,130 --> 01:12:45,659
bring things together

1704
01:12:51,229 --> 01:12:49,140
okay you know why um I mean I understand

1705
01:13:05,689 --> 01:12:51,239
the

1706
01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:05,699
is a danger with that too as well and

1707
01:13:10,850 --> 01:13:07,560
you had said that in the at the very

1708
01:13:12,770 --> 01:13:10,860
start of the show be very careful with

1709
01:13:14,689 --> 01:13:12,780
with because you're also changing

1710
01:13:16,490 --> 01:13:14,699
somebody else that may not be looking in

1711
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:16,500
that direction

1712
01:13:22,970 --> 01:13:19,800
one of the uh astonishing things about

1713
01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:22,980
magic uh that

1714
01:13:27,169 --> 01:13:25,500
early magicians I'll tell you about this

1715
01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:27,179
mistake so when you make this mistake

1716
01:13:29,930 --> 01:13:28,860
you'll say oh yeah like I said I'd make

1717
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:29,940
this mistake

1718
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,380
uh magic effects people who have a

1719
01:13:38,750 --> 01:13:36,480
certain degree of personal power if

1720
01:13:40,729 --> 01:13:38,760
they're completely dead inside or

1721
01:13:43,070 --> 01:13:40,739
they're stupid or they're drunk they're

1722
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:43,080
magical not effective you cannot do a

1723
01:13:46,729 --> 01:13:45,120
magical spell on a drunk person

1724
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:46,739
on the other hand

1725
01:13:54,169 --> 01:13:49,860
the people that respond too deeply to

1726
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:54,179
Magic don't have any personal defenses

1727
01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:56,460
so if you say I'm want to get some

1728
01:14:01,130 --> 01:13:59,100
people to help me out in the company

1729
01:14:03,050 --> 01:14:01,140
and you do a summoning spell

1730
01:14:04,370 --> 01:14:03,060
don't hire the first group of people

1731
01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:04,380
that show up

1732
01:14:09,169 --> 01:14:07,140
because these guys are completely open

1733
01:14:10,430 --> 01:14:09,179
and you know anything will drag their

1734
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:10,440
attention they're just kind of like

1735
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:13,440
walking zombies right

1736
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,560
and uh I've seen a lot of magicians

1737
01:14:19,850 --> 01:14:18,239
they're usually male magicians make this

1738
01:14:22,430 --> 01:14:19,860
mistake more than the female ones

1739
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:22,440
they'll do just a spell for for a sex

1740
01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:25,260
companion and in a week they got this

1741
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:27,420
crazy girl living with them

1742
01:14:32,270 --> 01:14:29,580
and then suddenly they're like

1743
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,280
I don't want this person living with me

1744
01:14:36,050 --> 01:14:34,560
why did my spell get her and I said

1745
01:14:39,530 --> 01:14:36,060
because you just put out a big sign

1746
01:14:42,350 --> 01:14:39,540
saying hey come over here and there's no

1747
01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:42,360
there's no will inside her you know she

1748
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:43,739
just kind of wandered up to your

1749
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:49,669
can we stay here for a second sure come

1750
01:14:52,990 --> 01:14:51,780
stay here for a second

1751
01:14:57,370 --> 01:14:53,000
um

1752
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:57,380
if there is somebody listening right now

1753
01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:01,679
uh uh that and I'm going to let's talk

1754
01:15:06,290 --> 01:15:03,780
about women first because we'll swing it

1755
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,300
back around to the male side of this but

1756
01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:07,760
let's say

1757
01:15:16,030 --> 01:15:12,420
there is a woman listening to this show

1758
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:16,040
is she going to put a spell Out For Love

1759
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,040
or is it going to be

1760
01:15:22,970 --> 01:15:21,120
for sex

1761
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:22,980
right it's two different two different

1762
01:15:30,169 --> 01:15:25,280
mentalities and

1763
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:30,179
how does is it are they

1764
01:15:33,790 --> 01:15:32,280
are they looking for somebody that they

1765
01:15:36,590 --> 01:15:33,800
know

1766
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:36,600
or are they

1767
01:15:41,450 --> 01:15:39,360
just putting it out there you know what

1768
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:41,460
I mean are they trying a friend of

1769
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:42,780
theirs somebody that they've had their

1770
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:47,040
eyes on is that where you would do this

1771
01:15:54,430 --> 01:15:50,239
as a woman what where where

1772
01:15:58,430 --> 01:15:54,440
is the feminine side of of magic well

1773
01:16:00,830 --> 01:15:58,440
given the the the the man fastly over

1774
01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:00,840
masking Alliance to society uh that we

1775
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:01,800
live in

1776
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:04,080
women don't have to do that much to get

1777
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:07,380
companionship exactly the the I believe

1778
01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:10,500
the the magical spell for woman is swipe

1779
01:16:18,169 --> 01:16:14,580
right yes right um okay if you're doing

1780
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:18,179
a spell for a better class of lover

1781
01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:20,040
just in general and you want to make a

1782
01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:22,500
Talisman that brings that to you that's

1783
01:16:25,729 --> 01:16:23,940
something you should consider and do and

1784
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:25,739
think about what do I want what do I

1785
01:16:31,130 --> 01:16:29,340
need you can be as specific as you want

1786
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:31,140
uh

1787
01:16:36,350 --> 01:16:33,840
or if you want to do the opposite thing

1788
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:36,360
I got people I don't want anymore don't

1789
01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:37,980
want to ever see this again you make an

1790
01:16:43,790 --> 01:16:41,400
amulet drives things away I do not want

1791
01:16:46,970 --> 01:16:43,800
another abusive [\h__\h] in my life right

1792
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,980
useful a useful spell uh I've actually

1793
01:16:50,330 --> 01:16:48,960
consulted with a woman that wanted to

1794
01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:50,340
make that I said okay let's figure out

1795
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:56,870
um women tend to this is just a

1796
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:58,980
bachelorization be a little more

1797
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,199
sophisticated in thinking about coupling

1798
01:17:05,090 --> 01:17:03,360
than men do

1799
01:17:08,030 --> 01:17:05,100
um mainly because women can run into

1800
01:17:11,149 --> 01:17:08,040
many more problems uh historically of

1801
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:13,130
you know but there's also that you have

1802
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:15,540
that all the the ethical question rise

1803
01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:18,719
up right I mean do you want a lot of

1804
01:17:22,130 --> 01:17:20,760
lovers that has a lot of a lot of

1805
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,140
problems

1806
01:17:26,030 --> 01:17:23,760
you know unless again you have a life

1807
01:17:27,229 --> 01:17:26,040
that's set up for that now if you're a

1808
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:27,239
magician if you're a magician if you're

1809
01:17:33,490 --> 01:17:29,040
a musician on the road

1810
01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:35,810
let's not let's not go there you see

1811
01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:38,100
what's behind me right I I figured you

1812
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:39,780
would understand that one in a deep way

1813
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:41,520
yes don't give them that home address

1814
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,320
though let's uh and um uh that is such

1815
01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:49,920
an interesting point because

1816
01:17:57,530 --> 01:17:53,640
uh okay can you

1817
01:17:58,850 --> 01:17:57,540
um can you focus the spell on an

1818
01:18:00,530 --> 01:17:58,860
individual

1819
01:18:03,530 --> 01:18:00,540
because you just brought up a great

1820
01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:03,540
point I mean you may have you may have a

1821
01:18:08,990 --> 01:18:06,780
line at the door right sure of course I

1822
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,000
mean that that goes from love magic to

1823
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:11,520
seduction right you know who you're

1824
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:13,920
trying to get and then you do that you

1825
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:16,320
just as part of the oversight of I

1826
01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:19,440
overwhelming set of actions you're doing

1827
01:18:21,410 --> 01:18:19,980
um

1828
01:18:22,970 --> 01:18:21,420
you know if you're trying to be

1829
01:18:26,090 --> 01:18:22,980
successful with the person don't don't

1830
01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:26,100
assume your your Sideshow is going to

1831
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,659
make it happen I mean you do all the

1832
01:18:31,310 --> 01:18:30,000
things you want to do like learn what

1833
01:18:34,669 --> 01:18:31,320
they're interested in and give them

1834
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,679
gifts and and Quark them uh but then

1835
01:18:38,209 --> 01:18:36,480
does it hurt to have a you know

1836
01:18:40,490 --> 01:18:38,219
parchment in your pocket with the left

1837
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:40,500
side you want it no of course that helps

1838
01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:43,679
magic influences events it does not

1839
01:18:48,590 --> 01:18:46,620
create events now can you flip it around

1840
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:48,600
backwards we're going to get to men in

1841
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,400
just a second I just I want to say I'm

1842
01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:52,320
romance for a little bit here can you

1843
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:54,179
flip it around and make yourself more

1844
01:18:59,209 --> 01:18:57,120
attractive to others oh sure absolutely

1845
01:19:01,910 --> 01:18:59,219
you know and you can do that in ways

1846
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,920
that are um sexual you can do that in

1847
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:03,360
ways feel like I want to appear more

1848
01:19:07,250 --> 01:19:04,500
intelligent

1849
01:19:09,290 --> 01:19:07,260
anything that you can do with Cosmetics

1850
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,300
you can do with magic

1851
01:19:12,649 --> 01:19:11,280
right and the word Cosmetics itself

1852
01:19:16,010 --> 01:19:12,659
actually comes from the Greek word

1853
01:19:19,550 --> 01:19:16,020
Cosmos meaning uh the universe Cosmetics

1854
01:19:22,370 --> 01:19:19,560
was really considered a magical art

1855
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:22,380
and for some women it still is

1856
01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:26,159
uh you can pick who you're attractive

1857
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:29,880
toward and also much more important for

1858
01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:32,460
women you can learn to be invisible and

1859
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:34,920
visibility is highly highly important

1860
01:19:39,729 --> 01:19:37,620
magical skill I explained I never

1861
01:19:43,010 --> 01:19:39,739
thought of that

1862
01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:43,020
oh man can you teach me that one okay

1863
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:45,540
why is invisibility

1864
01:19:51,169 --> 01:19:48,000
so important wow that's that's a good

1865
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:52,250
um

1866
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:59,520
levels uh that's why sometimes your

1867
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:00,960
co-worker comes in and you know what

1868
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:03,960
kind of day he or she had

1869
01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:06,239
you know and we have all sorts of words

1870
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:08,520
like that for telepathy or to

1871
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:12,120
sensitivity clear voice tons of words

1872
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,560
uh you can decide to not put out any

1873
01:20:21,169 --> 01:20:18,480
kind of signal at all

1874
01:20:23,090 --> 01:20:21,179
I mean the simplest kind of uh

1875
01:20:25,550 --> 01:20:23,100
invisibility of course is you make

1876
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:25,560
certain choices and in your dress and

1877
01:20:31,490 --> 01:20:28,080
speech so you don't stand out

1878
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:31,500
and then like walk through a crowd uh

1879
01:20:37,130 --> 01:20:34,620
visualizing a brick wall

1880
01:20:40,729 --> 01:20:37,140
don't send out anything

1881
01:20:43,070 --> 01:20:40,739
now when I was first becoming a magician

1882
01:20:45,050 --> 01:20:43,080
before I learned to keep my power to

1883
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:45,060
myself

1884
01:20:49,370 --> 01:20:47,580
I discovered that crazy people would

1885
01:20:51,709 --> 01:20:49,380
follow me in the street

1886
01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:51,719
and at first I thought ha

1887
01:20:56,510 --> 01:20:53,880
I am full of power yeah I'm full of

1888
01:20:58,850 --> 01:20:56,520
power right right and great

1889
01:21:01,310 --> 01:20:58,860
I'm attracting that guy over there

1890
01:21:03,709 --> 01:21:01,320
don't know if I like that no

1891
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,719
let's rethink that

1892
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:04,560
um

1893
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:07,440
people broadcast all the time

1894
01:21:12,290 --> 01:21:09,840
and people need to learn to number one

1895
01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:12,300
be receptive which is what gets you much

1896
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,580
more interesting things or at least just

1897
01:21:18,649 --> 01:21:16,080
to be neutral and say I'm not going to

1898
01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:18,659
put anything out right now

1899
01:21:22,430 --> 01:21:20,940
I would do anything to be invisible

1900
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:22,440
again

1901
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:26,719
process you know and and

1902
01:21:33,229 --> 01:21:30,300
wow I'm gonna prep brick wall

1903
01:21:36,189 --> 01:21:33,239
I've got a conference in two weeks okay

1904
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:36,199
I'm hosting it rick wall

1905
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:39,840
brick wall in the crowd brick wall

1906
01:21:45,169 --> 01:21:42,719
um before we get to Paka which is an

1907
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:45,179
interesting uh direction to go to for

1908
01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:46,800
chapter four

1909
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,360
um I just want to post this up here

1910
01:21:53,209 --> 01:21:51,120
because I love this uh Chester we're

1911
01:21:56,209 --> 01:21:53,219
talking about attraction she said

1912
01:21:58,490 --> 01:21:56,219
I used to use the strawberry champagne

1913
01:22:01,630 --> 01:21:58,500
scent oh my God I couldn't get the guys

1914
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:01,640
to stop bothering me

1915
01:22:08,090 --> 01:22:06,120
I absolutely love that okay which is now

1916
01:22:10,729 --> 01:22:08,100
are we talking about the Pika for me

1917
01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:10,739
that I understand is the Hawaiian God of

1918
01:22:16,970 --> 01:22:13,980
like wind and thunder right right yeah

1919
01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:16,980
so I made him the the god to to consider

1920
01:22:22,729 --> 01:22:19,380
when we're dealing with air

1921
01:22:25,250 --> 01:22:22,739
here is has a variety of interesting

1922
01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:25,260
things air is a unifier

1923
01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:27,060
you know you and I are speaking to each

1924
01:22:33,229 --> 01:22:30,420
other through air albeit also with uh

1925
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:33,239
the internet being a form of air

1926
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:34,800
uh

1927
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:37,440
air is the way that magnifies things

1928
01:22:43,370 --> 01:22:40,920
right the whole sort of uh Chaos Theory

1929
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:43,380
the flap of the Butterflies wing and

1930
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,320
picking makes the storm in Paris

1931
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:48,540
and here is where you can hear things

1932
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,000
you can send messages you can receive

1933
01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:53,280
messages

1934
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:55,980
um it curies the incense up to the gods

1935
01:23:01,130 --> 01:22:58,320
or to the ancestors

1936
01:23:04,430 --> 01:23:01,140
and then of course for very skillful

1937
01:23:06,110 --> 01:23:04,440
users of error the Polynesians

1938
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,120
they were able to go all over the

1939
01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:07,920
Pacific with uh

1940
01:23:15,709 --> 01:23:11,460
about the same level of accuracy as we

1941
01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:15,719
do now with you know sales yeah

1942
01:23:21,290 --> 01:23:18,060
yeah with the power of the Wind

1943
01:23:24,410 --> 01:23:21,300
yeah that's strong that's strong

1944
01:23:27,169 --> 01:23:24,420
um now see here here we go I'm just I

1945
01:23:30,850 --> 01:23:27,179
I'm getting distracted with with uh

1946
01:23:33,709 --> 01:23:30,860
people enjoying this conversation but uh

1947
01:23:37,130 --> 01:23:33,719
wood elf says I want to be loved will

1948
01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:37,140
someone please me when when I have on

1949
01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:40,380
I've got a a few friends that are or

1950
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:42,600
which is good witches you know great

1951
01:23:47,570 --> 01:23:44,580
people and been involved with the show

1952
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,580
for almost a decade and and we take

1953
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:49,440
calls and we'll do this we'll do tarot

1954
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:52,320
readings and stuff and I would stay

1955
01:23:57,649 --> 01:23:55,260
that um it's equally split between men

1956
01:23:59,149 --> 01:23:57,659
and women by the way it's not it's not a

1957
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:59,159
feminine thing it's not a masculine

1958
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,000
thing

1959
01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:03,600
um romance romance that is the number

1960
01:24:09,169 --> 01:24:06,840
one uh question well I find love this

1961
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:09,179
year will I find love this year it's

1962
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,920
it's it's it's at the top of the list

1963
01:24:16,130 --> 01:24:13,440
isn't it it's just right there well no

1964
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:16,140
it's it's in many ways the the uh the

1965
01:24:22,010 --> 01:24:19,080
greatest magical feat can do as a

1966
01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:22,020
magician is to get the Perfect Mate

1967
01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:24,300
because everything else can be dependent

1968
01:24:32,030 --> 01:24:27,719
on that or if you have the wrong mate

1969
01:24:37,689 --> 01:24:35,750
um I was watching okay now uh speaking

1970
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:37,699
of pica

1971
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,100
uh do you remember I know this is going

1972
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:43,199
to sound left field but it's really not

1973
01:24:51,229 --> 01:24:46,500
do you remember the movie The Burbs

1974
01:24:53,330 --> 01:24:51,239
yeah legally comedy Bruce Dern uh you

1975
01:24:56,570 --> 01:24:53,340
know and you know this family that moved

1976
01:24:58,610 --> 01:24:56,580
anyway uh oh I can't think of his name

1977
01:25:00,410 --> 01:24:58,620
right now biggest actor in the world uh

1978
01:25:02,209 --> 01:25:00,420
one of his starting roles he's down in

1979
01:25:03,709 --> 01:25:02,219
the basement of his house and you know

1980
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,719
they think that the neighbors next door

1981
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,520
are killing people and bearing bodies in

1982
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,920
the in the backyard uh it's Corey

1983
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,800
Feldman it's it's uh Tom Hanks right so

1984
01:25:14,990 --> 01:25:12,840
Tom Hanks is in the basement yeah with

1985
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:15,000
his neighbor and they get out a book of

1986
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,800
spells

1987
01:25:20,810 --> 01:25:19,199
right and we and and that's why I'm

1988
01:25:24,169 --> 01:25:20,820
bringing up the burbs

1989
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:24,179
so they're opening this up and this

1990
01:25:32,270 --> 01:25:28,620
symbolism in the movie is exactly what

1991
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,280
uh the public expects a book of spells

1992
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,560
right let's flip it open let's see

1993
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,199
what's going on and you see the the wood

1994
01:25:41,689 --> 01:25:38,880
cuts and the prints and the different

1995
01:25:43,130 --> 01:25:41,699
things and the Satanic rituals and and

1996
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:43,140
they're flipping through in this book of

1997
01:25:49,010 --> 01:25:44,400
spells

1998
01:25:52,430 --> 01:25:49,020
um that that perception of society is is

1999
01:25:55,130 --> 01:25:52,440
a strange one but that book of spells

2000
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:55,140
it doesn't exist right you can't find it

2001
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:58,560
anywhere that that satanic dark book or

2002
01:26:01,250 --> 01:25:59,520
can you

2003
01:26:05,570 --> 01:26:01,260
well I'm sure but now someone's printed

2004
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:05,580
it out and sold it but uh you know there

2005
01:26:08,570 --> 01:26:07,199
are collections of spells and you know

2006
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:08,580
they've been collections of spells

2007
01:26:15,010 --> 01:26:13,199
around for Millennia uh but they're they

2008
01:26:18,830 --> 01:26:15,020
don't just work unless you actually have

2009
01:26:21,649 --> 01:26:18,840
uh all of the training to make them work

2010
01:26:23,390 --> 01:26:21,659
uh and of course largely those things

2011
01:26:26,030 --> 01:26:23,400
were written by people that wanted to

2012
01:26:28,189 --> 01:26:26,040
sell the collection of spells

2013
01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:28,199
as opposed to being this is sacred Lords

2014
01:26:30,830 --> 01:26:29,400
it's like hey

2015
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:30,840
50 bucks

2016
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,340
I'll give you your you know your spell

2017
01:26:37,129 --> 01:26:34,560
book here

2018
01:26:39,530 --> 01:26:37,139
and it's it's an attractive idea right

2019
01:26:42,110 --> 01:26:39,540
that somewhere someone has written down

2020
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:42,120
exactly what I need to solve my life

2021
01:26:46,010 --> 01:26:43,280
problem

2022
01:26:48,110 --> 01:26:46,020
and that's still something that you know

2023
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:48,120
people sell on TV all the time these

2024
01:26:55,129 --> 01:26:52,669
um

2025
01:26:57,229 --> 01:26:55,139
the thing is generally

2026
01:26:58,610 --> 01:26:57,239
better spells are going to be ones you

2027
01:27:01,129 --> 01:26:58,620
write yourself

2028
01:27:03,890 --> 01:27:01,139
and the results will be better connected

2029
01:27:07,370 --> 01:27:03,900
with things in your Universe the text of

2030
01:27:09,709 --> 01:27:07,380
another is often an affront to the self

2031
01:27:12,410 --> 01:27:09,719
there was uh I'm going to go back to the

2032
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,420
burbs for a second and it's completely

2033
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:14,159
connected uh to what we're talking about

2034
01:27:23,810 --> 01:27:15,480
here

2035
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,820
looking through the books of spells and

2036
01:27:29,629 --> 01:27:25,440
the neighbor says

2037
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:29,639
Lamb's blood we need Lamb's blood right

2038
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:33,600
um and blood is always associated with

2039
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:35,760
magic is there in this do you need blood

2040
01:27:41,390 --> 01:27:39,120
for magic or is that is that folklore is

2041
01:27:44,090 --> 01:27:41,400
that mythology that that's so cool I

2042
01:27:46,430 --> 01:27:44,100
mean the appropriate place for blood

2043
01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:46,440
is in here

2044
01:27:51,229 --> 01:27:49,560
uh in fact one thing that's you never

2045
01:27:53,570 --> 01:27:51,239
need to do you never need to harm an

2046
01:27:56,689 --> 01:27:53,580
animal in the practice of actual magic

2047
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:56,699
now first if I say that because I'm an

2048
01:28:02,330 --> 01:27:59,520
animal rights guy but here's a let's say

2049
01:28:03,770 --> 01:28:02,340
you hear about that here's the basic

2050
01:28:06,350 --> 01:28:03,780
truth the idea that you're going to

2051
01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:06,360
sacrifice this little bunny to some

2052
01:28:10,250 --> 01:28:07,800
entity

2053
01:28:11,629 --> 01:28:10,260
you don't own the bunny's life to give

2054
01:28:13,310 --> 01:28:11,639
it away I mean it's like going in a

2055
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:13,320
restaurant and say Hey I want that guy

2056
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,260
over at that table to pay my bill

2057
01:28:20,169 --> 01:28:18,239
you don't own the life force of another

2058
01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:20,179
creature

2059
01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:22,860
uh blood however is very you know it's

2060
01:28:28,669 --> 01:28:25,860
very dramatic uh we it pounds through us

2061
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:28,679
when we are um

2062
01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:32,880
you know excited or mad or whatever uh

2063
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:36,120
it's a magical liquid I don't recommend

2064
01:28:41,689 --> 01:28:37,920
it to use too much of anything

2065
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,699
um you can get a lot more work out of uh

2066
01:28:46,189 --> 01:28:43,440
your tears

2067
01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:46,199
um your sweat your urine and your sexual

2068
01:28:50,689 --> 01:28:49,260
fluids those all have much more useful

2069
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:50,699
uh

2070
01:28:59,629 --> 01:28:56,940
movies yeah so there's no blood rituals

2071
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,639
there are no blood rituals no no blood

2072
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:01,679
rituals here

2073
01:29:08,030 --> 01:29:06,060
um next is uh uh chapter five is

2074
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,040
is the name that I wasn't familiar with

2075
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,520
which is Sarah Swati and I had to go but

2076
01:29:15,950 --> 01:29:13,280
no I'll just leave it up to you because

2077
01:29:18,590 --> 01:29:15,960
this was uh completely new to me and I

2078
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:18,600
had to go and and research this

2079
01:29:24,169 --> 01:29:22,560
Indian god goddess of the rivers uh

2080
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,179
she's also the goddess of doing

2081
01:29:30,129 --> 01:29:26,159
everything correctly

2082
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:30,139
so it's very much regardless of timing

2083
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:34,800
uh Sarah Swati is a goddess that uh you

2084
01:29:40,850 --> 01:29:37,980
seek when you want things to flow

2085
01:29:43,970 --> 01:29:40,860
and water has certain properties uh it

2086
01:29:47,149 --> 01:29:43,980
flows it changes shape it can be gentle

2087
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,159
or harsh uh and it's a great symbol for

2088
01:29:51,410 --> 01:29:49,679
emotions right because of our tears

2089
01:29:53,470 --> 01:29:51,420
being like the first thing that comes to

2090
01:29:59,290 --> 01:29:53,480
mind

2091
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:02,930
next uh we're gonna we're gonna get into

2092
01:30:07,129 --> 01:30:05,280
Horus and Isis for a second uh well

2093
01:30:11,870 --> 01:30:07,139
we're not we're going to discuss it at

2094
01:30:16,129 --> 01:30:11,880
length but Horus uh I don't know if I

2095
01:30:19,070 --> 01:30:16,139
have a favorite Egyptian God but if I'm

2096
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,080
if if I'm gonna go somewhere a horse to

2097
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:21,840
me the story is so complete and is so

2098
01:30:27,890 --> 01:30:24,480
you know it's it's told probably more in

2099
01:30:30,770 --> 01:30:27,900
depth than than uh uh the other Egyptian

2100
01:30:33,410 --> 01:30:30,780
gods uh one of my favorites but why

2101
01:30:34,729 --> 01:30:33,420
[\h__\h] for chapter six

2102
01:30:39,290 --> 01:30:34,739
uh

2103
01:30:43,450 --> 01:30:39,300
things one because he's well known but

2104
01:30:46,970 --> 01:30:43,460
then two uh because he is in his name

2105
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:46,980
Harper the far off one

2106
01:30:51,890 --> 01:30:49,199
has this idea of someone that watches

2107
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:51,900
you all the time and then we have a we

2108
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:54,000
all have in you know in our pockets

2109
01:30:58,970 --> 01:30:57,300
probably right now uh you have a horror

2110
01:31:00,169 --> 01:30:58,980
symbol on the form of the great CEO of

2111
01:31:02,149 --> 01:31:00,179
the United States you know the

2112
01:31:04,250 --> 01:31:02,159
All-Seeing Eye

2113
01:31:06,410 --> 01:31:04,260
you know so it's you start with what

2114
01:31:09,169 --> 01:31:06,420
people know and

2115
01:31:10,490 --> 01:31:09,179
relate to most in your training say well

2116
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:10,500
you already you know you already know

2117
01:31:13,370 --> 01:31:12,000
how to get to this one so we're going to

2118
01:31:16,430 --> 01:31:13,380
start here

2119
01:31:19,870 --> 01:31:16,440
when I went to the Temple of Voris in in

2120
01:31:25,250 --> 01:31:19,880
Egypt it was one of the most

2121
01:31:29,629 --> 01:31:25,260
overwhelming wonderful uh but uh strong

2122
01:31:32,990 --> 01:31:29,639
it's it's strong it's it's because

2123
01:31:34,490 --> 01:31:33,000
um his eyes his face the the is is

2124
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:34,500
everywhere it's at the top of every

2125
01:31:39,890 --> 01:31:37,920
pillar uh the doorways through the

2126
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:39,900
hieroglyphics on the wall it is

2127
01:31:46,250 --> 01:31:42,960
absolutely everywhere and it's it's very

2128
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:46,260
strong and very powerful and to build a

2129
01:31:51,410 --> 01:31:48,719
temple like this you know on 100 acres

2130
01:31:55,010 --> 01:31:51,420
right where it is everywhere it's strong

2131
01:31:57,649 --> 01:31:55,020
it's a very very powerful symbol to me

2132
01:32:00,830 --> 01:31:57,659
I mean the the creating of the Epic

2133
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,840
temples uh you know these took you know

2134
01:32:05,390 --> 01:32:02,880
a really long time to build but the

2135
01:32:08,450 --> 01:32:05,400
temple complex it looks like a thousand

2136
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,460
years to build so the people involved in

2137
01:32:12,890 --> 01:32:10,800
building it their ancestors their

2138
01:32:15,470 --> 01:32:12,900
ancestors and sisters their ancestors

2139
01:32:19,610 --> 01:32:15,480
and sisters and sisters worked on it so

2140
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:19,620
it's a deeply uh ingrained into the

2141
01:32:23,870 --> 01:32:20,960
folks there

2142
01:32:26,810 --> 01:32:23,880
uh the Luxor

2143
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:26,820
I I I I I can't wait for you to go and

2144
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:28,080
you you and I can have another

2145
01:32:33,950 --> 01:32:31,199
conversation uh but when you walk

2146
01:32:35,870 --> 01:32:33,960
through Luxor Karnak 2 is it's got the

2147
01:32:39,410 --> 01:32:35,880
same impact because of its size right

2148
01:32:41,930 --> 01:32:39,420
it's just ginormously big but when you

2149
01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:41,940
walk through Luxor all you can do is

2150
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:44,340
think to yourself how

2151
01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:48,719
how how how just how because it's it's

2152
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:52,860
big it's not only wide but it's tall and

2153
01:32:59,930 --> 01:32:55,199
it just goes on forever and you wander

2154
01:33:02,270 --> 01:32:59,940
through it it's it's unbelievably uh uh

2155
01:33:04,850 --> 01:33:02,280
what's the word I want to use ginormous

2156
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:04,860
is that a fair word to use sure it's

2157
01:33:10,129 --> 01:33:07,380
crazy when you say a thousand years yeah

2158
01:33:12,169 --> 01:33:10,139
yeah you see it and feel it and the

2159
01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:12,179
United States is 200 years old you know

2160
01:33:16,430 --> 01:33:13,980
and it kind of puts it into a little bit

2161
01:33:19,330 --> 01:33:16,440
of perspective for you it's it's crazy

2162
01:33:22,729 --> 01:33:19,340
big crazy

2163
01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:25,490
I did a panoramic movie

2164
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:29,340
that I shot in Luxor at night and at the

2165
01:33:33,169 --> 01:33:31,440
back of the complex now Luxor is in the

2166
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:33,179
middle of the town the middle of the

2167
01:33:38,990 --> 01:33:35,040
city right so you have the city on on

2168
01:33:40,910 --> 01:33:39,000
all sides but the people of Luxor that

2169
01:33:43,729 --> 01:33:40,920
live there they hang out

2170
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:43,739
right this is It's tourist I I get that

2171
01:33:51,709 --> 01:33:47,280
but this is this is their city right

2172
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:51,719
so um I'm I'm there it's full moon and I

2173
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,480
go down in the back half where there's

2174
01:33:59,330 --> 01:33:56,880
this open courtyard with these pillars

2175
01:34:01,010 --> 01:33:59,340
crazy it's beautiful but I stand on top

2176
01:34:03,470 --> 01:34:01,020
of one of these things my security

2177
01:34:05,950 --> 01:34:03,480
helped me up and I climbed up on top and

2178
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:05,960
I shot this panoramic shot

2179
01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:07,920
and

2180
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:10,860
um he had told me he said these are the

2181
01:34:15,890 --> 01:34:13,199
people of Luxor

2182
01:34:17,689 --> 01:34:15,900
these aren't tourists that are here and

2183
01:34:20,030 --> 01:34:17,699
they were all there gathered underneath

2184
01:34:22,189 --> 01:34:20,040
the Starlight and that's you walk away

2185
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,199
with that the culture of Egypt they're

2186
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:24,480
they're still a part of their own

2187
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:25,440
history

2188
01:34:31,010 --> 01:34:29,340
it's crazy Don it's wonderful to see

2189
01:34:33,649 --> 01:34:31,020
well yeah you know

2190
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:33,659
traditional societies held on to the

2191
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:36,960
world much more clearly than we do and

2192
01:34:42,169 --> 01:34:40,560
which more dearly than we do uh there

2193
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:42,179
are some advantages to the postmodern

2194
01:34:45,770 --> 01:34:43,679
world we live in we can move everywhere

2195
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:45,780
we can do anything we can plug and play

2196
01:34:52,450 --> 01:34:48,239
culture but we don't have that sense of

2197
01:34:56,330 --> 01:34:52,460
place that Mankind's had for millennia

2198
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:56,340
it's it it's fascinating to see and uh

2199
01:35:04,490 --> 01:35:00,560
we're going to get into Isis next but uh

2200
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:04,500
the the one thing that I I came away

2201
01:35:09,950 --> 01:35:08,159
from Egypt with I mean this is Paramount

2202
01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:09,960
on top of everything

2203
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:13,920
they've had five six thousand years to

2204
01:35:18,890 --> 01:35:16,500
figure out respect

2205
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:18,900
they respect each other at every level

2206
01:35:23,689 --> 01:35:21,840
of society they're happy they respect

2207
01:35:27,310 --> 01:35:23,699
they respect the world they respect

2208
01:35:29,330 --> 01:35:27,320
themselves and it's something that we we

2209
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:29,340
definitely don't have here in the United

2210
01:35:35,149 --> 01:35:32,400
States and is probably missing in other

2211
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:35,159
countries as well but that Egypt has

2212
01:35:40,729 --> 01:35:38,400
figured out how to how to smile and how

2213
01:35:43,370 --> 01:35:40,739
to have respect for others it's a crazy

2214
01:35:46,970 --> 01:35:43,380
thing to walk away from learning

2215
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:46,980
the Egyptian culture is amazing in that

2216
01:35:52,189 --> 01:35:49,280
they developed the idea of being

2217
01:35:54,649 --> 01:35:52,199
Egyptian and then if you move to Egypt

2218
01:35:57,050 --> 01:35:54,659
you could become an Egyptian and then

2219
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:57,060
there was no other thought if we were so

2220
01:36:01,370 --> 01:35:58,560
you look at the pictures of the Pharaohs

2221
01:36:03,050 --> 01:36:01,380
most of the Pharaohs look like most

2222
01:36:05,930 --> 01:36:03,060
Egyptians now and they have the brown

2223
01:36:08,930 --> 01:36:05,940
skin you also had pharaohs that were

2224
01:36:12,490 --> 01:36:08,940
totally black skinned the the Rama seeds

2225
01:36:14,270 --> 01:36:12,500
they all had red hair I mean ethnically

2226
01:36:16,129 --> 01:36:14,280
pharaohs looked like a lot of different

2227
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:16,139
people but no one questioned for a

2228
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:18,960
moment but that they were Egyptians

2229
01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:23,040
because they were in a culture not in a

2230
01:36:27,290 --> 01:36:25,020
racial group

2231
01:36:29,169 --> 01:36:27,300
somebody just you know what uh so what's

2232
01:36:31,310 --> 01:36:29,179
up with Akhenaten

2233
01:36:33,169 --> 01:36:31,320
I um

2234
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:33,179
okay

2235
01:36:40,430 --> 01:36:36,000
I went uh we've all seen the images and

2236
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:40,440
the stories about Akhenaten and uh mono

2237
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:44,400
you know the the the Sun God and all of

2238
01:36:51,110 --> 01:36:46,320
that okay we get that

2239
01:36:53,870 --> 01:36:51,120
but when you uh I I visited the new uh

2240
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:53,880
cultural Museum of History not the new

2241
01:37:00,290 --> 01:36:56,639
Grand Museum but uh the museum it's

2242
01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:00,300
called Uh Egyptian uh history the Museum

2243
01:37:05,930 --> 01:37:02,639
of the Egyptian civilizations brand new

2244
01:37:08,930 --> 01:37:05,940
and in the basement there they have all

2245
01:37:13,310 --> 01:37:08,940
of the pharaoh's mummies I think there's

2246
01:37:15,950 --> 01:37:13,320
50 no 30 50 all of there's I didn't know

2247
01:37:19,250 --> 01:37:15,960
this you know how many Ramses there were

2248
01:37:23,330 --> 01:37:19,260
uh I believe I think Ramsey's the 12th

2249
01:37:25,729 --> 01:37:23,340
was the last one yeah 14. right and

2250
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:25,739
they're all lined up anyway

2251
01:37:33,229 --> 01:37:30,080
um but upstairs there is like a

2252
01:37:35,689 --> 01:37:33,239
14-foot statue of Akhenaten

2253
01:37:38,330 --> 01:37:35,699
and now when you look at the

2254
01:37:40,910 --> 01:37:38,340
representation of every single Pharaoh

2255
01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:40,920
that has had some kind of

2256
01:37:47,689 --> 01:37:44,699
iconic some icon you know carved in

2257
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:47,699
their image he's the only one that is is

2258
01:37:54,530 --> 01:37:51,199
is is is whack

2259
01:37:58,510 --> 01:37:54,540
it's completely and you said you didn't

2260
01:38:01,070 --> 01:37:58,520
want to go extraterrestrial right

2261
01:38:03,610 --> 01:38:01,080
that might be the exception but he he is

2262
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:03,620
extraordinarily ugly

2263
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:07,199
do you think it's accurate and let me

2264
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:11,760
ask you uh I I ask you this because I

2265
01:38:15,890 --> 01:38:13,679
would think that the artists that are

2266
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:15,900
carving these pharaohs are in fear of

2267
01:38:20,450 --> 01:38:18,239
their life oh sure of course right

2268
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:20,460
they're in fear of their life so the guy

2269
01:38:27,709 --> 01:38:24,600
that's painting and carving Akhenaten

2270
01:38:30,890 --> 01:38:27,719
is in fear of his life so that must be

2271
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:30,900
what Akhenaten looked like yeah

2272
01:38:35,330 --> 01:38:33,360
right yeah but I'm not wrong in that

2273
01:38:37,729 --> 01:38:35,340
right yeah I mean somewhere there's a

2274
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:37,739
guy and he's got the you know the stick

2275
01:38:42,430 --> 01:38:40,800
ditch nose sure and and hips and boobs

2276
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:42,440
yeah

2277
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:45,480
I uh okay so

2278
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:47,760
until we get off by knocking out and I'm

2279
01:38:52,970 --> 01:38:50,239
not sure let's let's swing over to Isis

2280
01:38:55,610 --> 01:38:52,980
chapter seven

2281
01:38:57,110 --> 01:38:55,620
Isis Isis is the great mother

2282
01:38:59,149 --> 01:38:57,120
uh

2283
01:39:01,129 --> 01:38:59,159
and also the person you know also the

2284
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,139
the inventor of the [\h__\h] so we should

2285
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:03,360
always you know keep that in mind

2286
01:39:08,990 --> 01:39:04,320
um

2287
01:39:11,209 --> 01:39:09,000
Isis is every form of female care period

2288
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:11,219
uh she loved her husband she loved her

2289
01:39:16,490 --> 01:39:14,880
son she fought to protect them uh the

2290
01:39:19,010 --> 01:39:16,500
figure of Isis was the most popular

2291
01:39:20,990 --> 01:39:19,020
Egyptian deity Egyptians actually sent

2292
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:21,000
out missionaries

2293
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:22,980
of the faith of Isis so there were

2294
01:39:27,169 --> 01:39:25,679
temples of Isis in Rome and even there

2295
01:39:28,490 --> 01:39:27,179
was one in London

2296
01:39:31,490 --> 01:39:28,500
uh

2297
01:39:34,370 --> 01:39:31,500
Isis you know is always called ER hakat

2298
01:39:36,050 --> 01:39:34,380
rate of magic

2299
01:39:38,330 --> 01:39:36,060
um she's a great source of all

2300
01:39:41,050 --> 01:39:38,340
protection and of course when

2301
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:41,060
Christianity came most of her

2302
01:39:45,890 --> 01:39:43,440
iconography immediately just went to the

2303
01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:45,900
Virgin Mary like the the blue

2304
01:39:50,410 --> 01:39:48,179
um outfits in the picture the first

2305
01:39:53,629 --> 01:39:50,420
stuckling the babe

2306
01:39:56,209 --> 01:39:53,639
uh the Temple of Isis which is on the

2307
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:56,219
island of Phile right it's right in the

2308
01:40:03,530 --> 01:39:58,880
middle of uh the Nile

2309
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:03,540
and out of and people want to hear about

2310
01:40:09,050 --> 01:40:06,239
Luxor they want to hear about Karnak and

2311
01:40:10,189 --> 01:40:09,060
I understand why right the Temple of

2312
01:40:12,830 --> 01:40:10,199
Isis

2313
01:40:16,490 --> 01:40:12,840
I had a spiritual thing that went down

2314
01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:16,500
there dundera too as well but

2315
01:40:20,770 --> 01:40:18,719
um uh the Temple of Isis is one of the

2316
01:40:24,410 --> 01:40:20,780
most extraordinary places on this planet

2317
01:40:26,990 --> 01:40:24,420
and it occupies an entire Island and

2318
01:40:28,729 --> 01:40:27,000
spiritually

2319
01:40:30,890 --> 01:40:28,739
um it's it's a powerful place and I

2320
01:40:33,770 --> 01:40:30,900
don't know if it's Ley lines I have no

2321
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:33,780
idea the stars are aligning above I have

2322
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:35,840
no idea if this island was

2323
01:40:40,910 --> 01:40:38,159
specifically picked for this because of

2324
01:40:43,310 --> 01:40:40,920
its power that is there but it's it's an

2325
01:40:45,649 --> 01:40:43,320
amazing place to visit it it's it's

2326
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:45,659
incredible incredible

2327
01:40:51,229 --> 01:40:48,480
well the temple at Fila was in fact the

2328
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,239
last uh Pagan Temple of Egypt

2329
01:40:56,750 --> 01:40:54,480
that the continued having Services uh

2330
01:40:58,729 --> 01:40:56,760
the Romans wanted to get rid of Egyptian

2331
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:58,739
religion they didn't they didn't care

2332
01:41:02,930 --> 01:41:00,960
for it for various reasons but mainly

2333
01:41:04,490 --> 01:41:02,940
because it they thought sparked natural

2334
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:04,500
you know nationalism they want to keep

2335
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:08,880
their colony in place so they took away

2336
01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:11,760
all the public support for temples

2337
01:41:16,030 --> 01:41:13,860
they destroyed the schools where

2338
01:41:18,410 --> 01:41:16,040
hieroglyphics were openly taught

2339
01:41:20,750 --> 01:41:18,420
and that all happened in the first

2340
01:41:22,610 --> 01:41:20,760
century and we know in the temple of

2341
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:22,620
Isis they were still having a priest

2342
01:41:28,370 --> 01:41:26,400
there until the year 348 80. yeah that's

2343
01:41:31,790 --> 01:41:28,380
right and

2344
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:31,800
um it it is it's kind of a mix because

2345
01:41:37,129 --> 01:41:34,560
you see exactly what you're talking

2346
01:41:40,609 --> 01:41:37,139
about in a lot of the temple complexes

2347
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:40,619
there some are undamaged which is also

2348
01:41:46,490 --> 01:41:43,679
um a fascinating uh point but most of it

2349
01:41:47,810 --> 01:41:46,500
you can go and see where the Romans and

2350
01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:47,820
the Greeks too

2351
01:41:52,850 --> 01:41:50,940
um and and the Persians where they went

2352
01:41:56,090 --> 01:41:52,860
in and defaced these temples uh and

2353
01:41:57,410 --> 01:41:56,100
removed faces and then you could also

2354
01:41:58,370 --> 01:41:57,420
see where they did it to a certain

2355
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:58,380
height

2356
01:42:04,430 --> 01:42:00,239
they couldn't get to the stuff that was

2357
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,440
up higher so you would see complete uh

2358
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:06,960
Beauty up higher because they couldn't

2359
01:42:11,330 --> 01:42:08,880
go in or maybe somebody was defeated and

2360
01:42:13,790 --> 01:42:11,340
got pulled out the Temple of Isis is

2361
01:42:16,669 --> 01:42:13,800
like half and half so you have half of

2362
01:42:19,790 --> 01:42:16,679
the beauty like you said it it was still

2363
01:42:21,950 --> 01:42:19,800
running for a couple of hundred years

2364
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:21,960
um after Cleopatra

2365
01:42:28,729 --> 01:42:26,400
um but uh I had a very spiritual moment

2366
01:42:32,450 --> 01:42:28,739
that happened in one of the temples that

2367
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:32,460
I couldn't control and I

2368
01:42:38,030 --> 01:42:35,520
I I I don't know why or how it happened

2369
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:38,040
but it was because of that island and

2370
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:40,080
I'm I'm for sure of that it's a very

2371
01:42:48,050 --> 01:42:46,430
it always was a place initiation for the

2372
01:42:50,570 --> 01:42:48,060
places that you went to be you know to

2373
01:42:54,290 --> 01:42:50,580
be trained to be a priest so everything

2374
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:54,300
is there to to move you to that state I

2375
01:42:57,649 --> 01:42:55,440
went out

2376
01:43:01,910 --> 01:42:57,659
um uh since you know the temple complex

2377
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:01,920
off of uh it's you know it's an island

2378
01:43:08,810 --> 01:43:07,679
um and so on the uh west side if you're

2379
01:43:11,209 --> 01:43:08,820
facing south

2380
01:43:15,709 --> 01:43:11,219
on the west side of the island there's

2381
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,719
this Stone Granite wall cliff and I had

2382
01:43:19,550 --> 01:43:18,239
to go over there and sit down because my

2383
01:43:22,250 --> 01:43:19,560
head I was

2384
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:22,260
I was tripping out I I can't explain it

2385
01:43:27,470 --> 01:43:25,500
so I go and I sit on this Cliff my feet

2386
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:27,480
are dangling I'm looking at the Nile

2387
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:31,199
River and Don as I live and breathe it

2388
01:43:38,689 --> 01:43:35,040
got worse it went right up my spine up

2389
01:43:41,870 --> 01:43:38,699
my back out my forehead and I just had

2390
01:43:44,209 --> 01:43:41,880
to hold on to the wall and and and ride

2391
01:43:45,950 --> 01:43:44,219
it out and it was because of the Temple

2392
01:43:48,290 --> 01:43:45,960
of Isis it was extraordinary

2393
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:48,300
extraordinary

2394
01:43:53,450 --> 01:43:50,639
yeah I mean you had you have obviously

2395
01:43:56,209 --> 01:43:53,460
Powers inside yourself that had been uh

2396
01:43:58,729 --> 01:43:56,219
weren't flowing and the Temple's job is

2397
01:44:01,310 --> 01:43:58,739
to to open those up and so you got to

2398
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:01,320
experience energies that you've had no

2399
01:44:06,490 --> 01:44:03,199
doubt your whole life suddenly

2400
01:44:09,770 --> 01:44:06,500
presenting themselves to you

2401
01:44:12,590 --> 01:44:09,780
Anubis man we're almost out of time too

2402
01:44:13,790 --> 01:44:12,600
so let's let's get through uh god of the

2403
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:13,800
underworld

2404
01:44:23,530 --> 01:44:19,920
you're dead newest is good for

2405
01:44:26,209 --> 01:44:23,540
transitions between one place to another

2406
01:44:27,770 --> 01:44:26,219
weighing your soul we are taking the

2407
01:44:29,870 --> 01:44:27,780
taking the solo out and be sure it

2408
01:44:31,209 --> 01:44:29,880
weighs the same as a feather as an

2409
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:31,219
ostrich feather

2410
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:35,040
were you I I still am uh to some degree

2411
01:44:41,689 --> 01:44:39,600
should you have a fear of Anubis

2412
01:44:43,790 --> 01:44:41,699
well you should have a fear of anything

2413
01:44:45,229 --> 01:44:43,800
if you see these as actual powerful

2414
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:45,239
entities and you're dealing with them

2415
01:44:50,830 --> 01:44:47,040
correctly no no I don't mean it like

2416
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:50,840
that no I mean like getting judged wrong

2417
01:44:55,550 --> 01:44:54,060
this is the moment right the scales are

2418
01:44:58,189 --> 01:44:55,560
in front of you

2419
01:45:00,590 --> 01:44:58,199
sure I think you should always have that

2420
01:45:02,689 --> 01:45:00,600
consideration that what you're doing in

2421
01:45:04,430 --> 01:45:02,699
your life is is going to be subject to

2422
01:45:07,729 --> 01:45:04,440
some final tallying

2423
01:45:09,770 --> 01:45:07,739
uh and not just be thinking oh you know

2424
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,780
I think I'm pretty cool so the guys

2425
01:45:14,750 --> 01:45:11,520
probably think so too

2426
01:45:17,629 --> 01:45:14,760
yeah exactly so yes you should have a

2427
01:45:19,609 --> 01:45:17,639
fear you should be prepared don't don't

2428
01:45:22,490 --> 01:45:19,619
be nonchalant about things

2429
01:45:24,050 --> 01:45:22,500
no don't take things for granted but

2430
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:24,060
that's important for a magician because

2431
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:27,360
his or her actions have to have weight

2432
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:29,520
and therefore they have to be things

2433
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:30,960
that are considered

2434
01:45:35,629 --> 01:45:34,080
here we go chapter nine

2435
01:45:40,490 --> 01:45:35,639
set

2436
01:45:43,310 --> 01:45:40,500
ah said God of night sky uh the oldest

2437
01:45:46,609 --> 01:45:43,320
of the magical Gods the one who killed

2438
01:45:48,890 --> 01:45:46,619
Osiris kills the demon of chaos apep

2439
01:45:51,890 --> 01:45:48,900
every night about 4 30 in the morning

2440
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:51,900
uh his name ultimately meant stabilizer

2441
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,239
that's confusing because he's the god of

2442
01:45:59,689 --> 01:45:56,400
chaos wait wait wait I thought he was

2443
01:46:00,830 --> 01:45:59,699
the most feared or he is feared yeah

2444
01:46:04,370 --> 01:46:00,840
fact

2445
01:46:06,590 --> 01:46:04,380
uh throughout all of Egyptian history he

2446
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:06,600
was the completely worst God except for

2447
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,080
dynasty 2 where the Pharaoh called

2448
01:46:16,209 --> 01:46:12,480
himself the living set all the others

2449
01:46:19,070 --> 01:46:16,219
was living Horus and dynasties 19 and 20

2450
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:19,080
who were totally devoted to set and

2451
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:20,639
there are the dynasties that went out

2452
01:46:26,930 --> 01:46:23,760
and conquered all the Middle East

2453
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:26,940
set is open to all forms of foreign

2454
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:28,080
influence

2455
01:46:34,609 --> 01:46:30,480
and for a somewhat closed Society like

2456
01:46:37,790 --> 01:46:34,619
Egypt that is a deeply scary deity

2457
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:37,800
completely freaks me out

2458
01:46:43,550 --> 01:46:40,080
I mean I mean feared and and it's and

2459
01:46:45,290 --> 01:46:43,560
and when when you read uh you know

2460
01:46:46,430 --> 01:46:45,300
different books and and history and so

2461
01:46:49,010 --> 01:46:46,440
forth

2462
01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:49,020
um and then we'll watch a movie uh that

2463
01:46:52,850 --> 01:46:50,760
that is dealing with this

2464
01:46:55,729 --> 01:46:52,860
set is the one you you just don't want

2465
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:55,739
to mess with yeah

2466
01:46:59,209 --> 01:46:57,600
well he killed one of the major Gods

2467
01:47:01,629 --> 01:46:59,219
that's usually a sign he's not someone

2468
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:01,639
you want to uh

2469
01:47:07,370 --> 01:47:05,280
and so when we hear now let's let's just

2470
01:47:09,229 --> 01:47:07,380
go there so with the with the Temple of

2471
01:47:11,810 --> 01:47:09,239
set

2472
01:47:13,609 --> 01:47:11,820
um what does that represent because the

2473
01:47:16,729 --> 01:47:13,619
way that said has been portrayed

2474
01:47:19,250 --> 01:47:16,739
throughout history and then you have the

2475
01:47:22,189 --> 01:47:19,260
Temple of set that's going to have a

2476
01:47:23,390 --> 01:47:22,199
negative uh aspect to it well yeah first

2477
01:47:25,609 --> 01:47:23,400
I was going to scare a lot of people

2478
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,619
away which is excellent uh for

2479
01:47:29,629 --> 01:47:27,119
initiatory work

2480
01:47:30,669 --> 01:47:29,639
but more importantly said it's a complex

2481
01:47:33,770 --> 01:47:30,679
figure

2482
01:47:38,990 --> 01:47:33,780
uh he literally saves the universe every

2483
01:47:39,850 --> 01:47:39,000
night uh when the sunboat sun Gods Marge

2484
01:47:42,350 --> 01:47:39,860
is

2485
01:47:44,330 --> 01:47:42,360
threatened by huge monsters that come

2486
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:44,340
climbs on the barge and kills the

2487
01:47:48,050 --> 01:47:45,360
monster

2488
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:48,060
but he also kills Osiris the god of

2489
01:47:52,370 --> 01:47:50,400
stasis now most people in their lives

2490
01:47:53,810 --> 01:47:52,380
want stasis they want things to always

2491
01:47:56,330 --> 01:47:53,820
be the same

2492
01:47:58,189 --> 01:47:56,340
and sets the God says no we're going to

2493
01:48:01,129 --> 01:47:58,199
get rid of stasis

2494
01:48:03,290 --> 01:48:01,139
oh it's a very challenging guide saying

2495
01:48:05,689 --> 01:48:03,300
well I'm willing to live in The More

2496
01:48:08,570 --> 01:48:05,699
Death you know more dangerous universe

2497
01:48:11,890 --> 01:48:08,580
uh in the night sky he's represented by

2498
01:48:14,750 --> 01:48:11,900
the Seven Stars we call the Big Dipper

2499
01:48:21,290 --> 01:48:14,760
uh in the very short time that we have

2500
01:48:25,250 --> 01:48:21,300
left uh uh uh verdandi chapter 10. all

2501
01:48:27,770 --> 01:48:25,260
right redondi redondi is a norm one of

2502
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:27,780
the Germanic goddesses of time verdandi

2503
01:48:33,470 --> 01:48:30,000
is in charge of the present

2504
01:48:38,450 --> 01:48:33,480
everything that's happening now

2505
01:48:40,850 --> 01:48:38,460
your chapter 11. bird is the Great

2506
01:48:43,609 --> 01:48:40,860
Goddess of the past you probably know

2507
01:48:45,530 --> 01:48:43,619
her by her English name which would be

2508
01:48:48,830 --> 01:48:45,540
weird

2509
01:48:50,750 --> 01:48:48,840
uh she has all the past patterns in the

2510
01:48:53,629 --> 01:48:50,760
universe everything that happens and

2511
01:48:55,729 --> 01:48:53,639
eventually belongs to Earth

2512
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:55,739
and chapter 12

2513
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:00,000
scald school is the goddess of what

2514
01:49:05,990 --> 01:49:03,119
should be now Germanic time was not set

2515
01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:06,000
up with past present future

2516
01:49:13,609 --> 01:49:09,960
with past present and what should be

2517
01:49:16,910 --> 01:49:13,619
because the future is always in motion

2518
01:49:19,490 --> 01:49:16,920
and that's where the magician has his or

2519
01:49:21,169 --> 01:49:19,500
her most important state

2520
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,179
they can affect

2521
01:49:25,310 --> 01:49:23,280
unfolding of events

2522
01:49:27,590 --> 01:49:25,320
so the Ultimate Place we've gone to

2523
01:49:31,330 --> 01:49:27,600
starting back when we crossed the

2524
01:49:35,450 --> 01:49:31,340
threshold with Janice is schooled

2525
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:35,460
and so in in completing the book now

2526
01:49:38,570 --> 01:49:37,199
we've talked about this twice tonight

2527
01:49:41,570 --> 01:49:38,580
but this is where we have to talk about

2528
01:49:45,890 --> 01:49:41,580
it a third time I did this with

2529
01:49:48,050 --> 01:49:45,900
intention because of how I accepted the

2530
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:48,060
book and started to read through it it

2531
01:49:52,729 --> 01:49:51,119
was also your suggestion to to read it

2532
01:49:56,689 --> 01:49:52,739
then to go back to understand what you

2533
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:56,699
were in for to know what uh What uh each

2534
01:50:03,709 --> 01:50:00,480
chapter involves and and and so forth

2535
01:50:05,390 --> 01:50:03,719
um at the completion of of the book

2536
01:50:07,609 --> 01:50:05,400
where do you think people will find

2537
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:07,619
themselves

2538
01:50:11,629 --> 01:50:10,080
uh I think they will have a Year's worth

2539
01:50:14,090 --> 01:50:11,639
of experiences that have been very

2540
01:50:16,250 --> 01:50:14,100
carefully curated for them

2541
01:50:19,129 --> 01:50:16,260
they will have had a series of questions

2542
01:50:20,990 --> 01:50:19,139
for each month that activity so they

2543
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:21,000
thought about what this means why did

2544
01:50:24,830 --> 01:50:22,800
they do this how do these things work

2545
01:50:27,470 --> 01:50:24,840
and there would be a place that is

2546
01:50:29,570 --> 01:50:27,480
unique to their own and then I have

2547
01:50:31,790 --> 01:50:29,580
other suggestions throughout the Book of

2548
01:50:34,490 --> 01:50:31,800
other things you can do no one will have

2549
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:34,500
the same path no one starts out at the

2550
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:36,840
same place but they will have all had

2551
01:50:42,169 --> 01:50:39,119
the same training and I think there'll

2552
01:50:44,689 --> 01:50:42,179
be a much more efficient competent

2553
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,699
magician than they ever have been

2554
01:50:47,629 --> 01:50:46,560
uh yeah there are a couple of spots in

2555
01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:47,639
the book where you take a break

2556
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:51,060
everybody and uh and and what to do

2557
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:53,280
during that break

2558
01:50:58,669 --> 01:50:55,920
um and I found that uh very helpful by

2559
01:51:00,290 --> 01:50:58,679
the way and I again I cheated but it's a

2560
01:51:01,790 --> 01:51:00,300
it's a great way to do it so you know

2561
01:51:04,490 --> 01:51:01,800
what to expect as you're going through

2562
01:51:06,970 --> 01:51:04,500
the book and then

2563
01:51:09,050 --> 01:51:06,980
we have additional resources

2564
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:09,060
and I kind of want to talk about the

2565
01:51:15,070 --> 01:51:11,760
book of gates a little bit but I want to

2566
01:51:19,070 --> 01:51:15,080
get to Sex Magic and uh dream work okay

2567
01:51:21,709 --> 01:51:19,080
let's can we jump ahead to sure is that

2568
01:51:24,530 --> 01:51:21,719
like the dessert you know you complete

2569
01:51:27,290 --> 01:51:24,540
the book and then you can get to the sex

2570
01:51:28,910 --> 01:51:27,300
Magic The Sex Magic I reason I separated

2571
01:51:30,350 --> 01:51:28,920
that out everyone reading the book will

2572
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:30,360
have a partner that can do sex message

2573
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:33,360
with and so the sex magic section is

2574
01:51:37,490 --> 01:51:35,760
here's how you if you have some access

2575
01:51:39,169 --> 01:51:37,500
to a willing partner

2576
01:51:41,930 --> 01:51:39,179
here's a way you can make some of these

2577
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:41,940
rights more powerful or deeper

2578
01:51:47,209 --> 01:51:44,239
uh

2579
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:47,219
I believe and magicians disagree with

2580
01:51:50,510 --> 01:51:48,480
this but I believe you should only do

2581
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:50,520
sex magic with a partner this also knows

2582
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:52,080
you're doing sex Magic

2583
01:51:55,910 --> 01:51:53,280
I don't believe you just take someone

2584
01:51:58,370 --> 01:51:55,920
it's like oh I'm using your power here

2585
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:58,380
doesn't work well uh because their power

2586
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:00,800
is generated for their own agenda

2587
01:52:06,910 --> 01:52:03,840
uh Dream Work I tell people how to deal

2588
01:52:09,410 --> 01:52:06,920
with dreams dreams are not consistent

2589
01:52:11,090 --> 01:52:09,420
so early on you can learn how to do

2590
01:52:13,310 --> 01:52:11,100
dreams and you'll have dreams throughout

2591
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:13,320
the year but you can't really do the

2592
01:52:17,209 --> 01:52:14,940
thing of saying ah I'm gonna have this

2593
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:17,219
dream on the 6th of July because it's

2594
01:52:21,649 --> 01:52:20,159
really really convenient for me so I

2595
01:52:23,390 --> 01:52:21,659
taught people how to deal with the

2596
01:52:24,649 --> 01:52:23,400
question of dreams that will happen

2597
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:24,659
throughout the year end of course

2598
01:52:29,629 --> 01:52:27,840
throughout the rest of their lives you I

2599
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:29,639
don't want to get into specifics here

2600
01:52:36,109 --> 01:52:32,880
and I you write about it uh in in a

2601
01:52:37,370 --> 01:52:36,119
complete form in the book but uh I want

2602
01:52:39,890 --> 01:52:37,380
everybody to go and read it but you

2603
01:52:43,250 --> 01:52:39,900
write about a dream that you had that

2604
01:52:46,910 --> 01:52:43,260
was at the beginning of uh your journey

2605
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:46,920
and it was very profound uh you and I

2606
01:52:50,990 --> 01:52:49,199
talked about earlier today and but I

2607
01:52:53,410 --> 01:52:51,000
don't think that for me that's not

2608
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:53,420
what's most important about that dream

2609
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:56,639
what was most important is you were

2610
01:53:01,330 --> 01:52:57,920
given

2611
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:01,340
the the the the the images

2612
01:53:07,310 --> 01:53:05,280
the you know that was there

2613
01:53:09,709 --> 01:53:07,320
um and that's how you interpret a dream

2614
01:53:12,830 --> 01:53:09,719
right it's not necessarily a very

2615
01:53:14,810 --> 01:53:12,840
specific thing because in your dream go

2616
01:53:16,850 --> 01:53:14,820
and read the book everybody if you'd

2617
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:16,860
have taken it literally the dream was

2618
01:53:23,149 --> 01:53:20,400
not right right it was not correct

2619
01:53:25,070 --> 01:53:23,159
um after the fact you look back and it

2620
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:25,080
made complete sense to me too as well

2621
01:53:32,350 --> 01:53:27,360
where you went oh it was right there in

2622
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:34,910
so when you get into DreamWork is that

2623
01:53:39,709 --> 01:53:36,900
what you have to do it's not necessarily

2624
01:53:42,350 --> 01:53:39,719
a literal interpretation yeah and

2625
01:53:44,570 --> 01:53:42,360
interpreting dreams is is kind of a kind

2626
01:53:46,490 --> 01:53:44,580
of missing the point people will have a

2627
01:53:48,530 --> 01:53:46,500
dream and they'll say oh I I just did

2628
01:53:49,609 --> 01:53:48,540
that because of what I saw in the street

2629
01:53:52,189 --> 01:53:49,619
yesterday

2630
01:53:53,810 --> 01:53:52,199
well you don't say hey because I had

2631
01:53:55,070 --> 01:53:53,820
this dream I saw this on the street

2632
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:55,080
yesterday

2633
01:53:59,450 --> 01:53:56,880
the reason you once you become aware of

2634
01:54:01,910 --> 01:53:59,460
one screen is you spend a third of your

2635
01:54:03,890 --> 01:54:01,920
life in sleep States

2636
01:54:07,129 --> 01:54:03,900
a third of it

2637
01:54:09,410 --> 01:54:07,139
uh and you should learn to become aware

2638
01:54:11,810 --> 01:54:09,420
of your dreams and remember them

2639
01:54:15,169 --> 01:54:11,820
and you will slowly learn to talk with

2640
01:54:17,450 --> 01:54:15,179
your dreams exchanging information not

2641
01:54:19,370 --> 01:54:17,460
in symbols that belong to anyone other

2642
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:19,380
than you don't still get that book that

2643
01:54:24,530 --> 01:54:21,840
says oh I dreamed of a mouse says in

2644
01:54:27,709 --> 01:54:24,540
Aunt Sally's reading book yeah

2645
01:54:29,390 --> 01:54:27,719
but you will discover uh things also

2646
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,400
from your past or occasionally from your

2647
01:54:32,930 --> 01:54:31,440
future as well in your dreams

2648
01:54:36,109 --> 01:54:32,940
the future being the hardest to

2649
01:54:42,970 --> 01:54:36,119
understand yeah I I I I I don't think

2650
01:54:49,850 --> 01:54:46,550
uh one last uh Point uh one last

2651
01:54:53,330 --> 01:54:49,860
question I'm sorry uh this month

2652
01:54:55,790 --> 01:54:53,340
for the first time in 50 000 years

2653
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:55,800
we've got a green comet

2654
01:55:03,109 --> 01:54:59,040
uh appearing in the night sky it is next

2655
01:55:05,870 --> 01:55:03,119
to our sun right now and uh for the rest

2656
01:55:09,649 --> 01:55:05,880
of January uh we're gonna be able to see

2657
01:55:14,169 --> 01:55:09,659
this uh with our naked eye is this is

2658
01:55:17,629 --> 01:55:14,179
this important to us and certainly with

2659
01:55:19,729 --> 01:55:17,639
uh uh cultures in the past this was a

2660
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:19,739
really big deal but we've got a green

2661
01:55:26,090 --> 01:55:22,800
Comet appearing in the sky

2662
01:55:27,950 --> 01:55:26,100
well anything that makes human beings

2663
01:55:30,350 --> 01:55:27,960
stop what they're doing

2664
01:55:32,330 --> 01:55:30,360
and put their work aside and look up is

2665
01:55:35,149 --> 01:55:32,340
a good thing

2666
01:55:38,930 --> 01:55:35,159
uh comments are usually said to be

2667
01:55:40,250 --> 01:55:38,940
symbols of dire uh orchids that some bad

2668
01:55:43,370 --> 01:55:40,260
thing will happen

2669
01:55:45,950 --> 01:55:43,380
the Egyptians saw comets as being the

2670
01:55:48,410 --> 01:55:45,960
form the body if you would of the

2671
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:48,420
Goddess sekhmet the goddess of power

2672
01:55:53,450 --> 01:55:49,920
itself

2673
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:53,460
so I would say everyone to not that the

2674
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:55,920
power is in the comet the power is

2675
01:56:00,050 --> 01:55:58,560
taking loving yourself enough to get the

2676
01:56:02,149 --> 01:56:00,060
hell out of the city and away from light

2677
01:56:03,590 --> 01:56:02,159
pollution look up and see this thing

2678
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:03,600
because you're not going to see another

2679
01:56:09,290 --> 01:56:06,239
one for 50 000 years

2680
01:56:10,250 --> 01:56:09,300
and if your life is enough control to do

2681
01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:10,260
that

2682
01:56:19,310 --> 01:56:17,219
you have done the work you need to do

2683
01:56:22,010 --> 01:56:19,320
thank you so much Don what a great

2684
01:56:24,530 --> 01:56:22,020
conversation tonight oh I didn't want to

2685
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:24,540
say this earlier but you just did if I

2686
01:56:30,350 --> 01:56:27,360
had to rate I'm going segment I'm going

2687
01:56:33,709 --> 01:56:30,360
segment I'm going segment I top on my

2688
01:56:35,870 --> 01:56:33,719
tippity top Kinda hot too I I might add

2689
01:56:38,930 --> 01:56:35,880
well if you use a Egyptian goddess of

2690
01:56:41,510 --> 01:56:38,940
Sex Magic right yeah yeah just uh top of

2691
01:56:46,189 --> 01:56:41,520
my list where can everybody get the book

2692
01:56:48,169 --> 01:56:46,199
uh Amazon of course uh Barnes and Noble

2693
01:56:50,510 --> 01:56:48,179
um most cult shops in America seem to

2694
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:50,520
have a copy right now or in Australia or

2695
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:52,320
Canada or Britain my friends are telling

2696
01:56:58,129 --> 01:56:55,440
me it's an amazing read and uh and thank

2697
01:57:00,890 --> 01:56:58,139
you for writing it and I know I said

2698
01:57:03,050 --> 01:57:00,900
this uh at the top of the show stuff

2699
01:57:05,709 --> 01:57:03,060
like this doesn't get published

2700
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:05,719
um uh not in its complete form like this

2701
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:08,880
it's a it's the real deal and and I'm

2702
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:11,520
really enjoying it thank you so much and

2703
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:12,960
uh one last thing where can everybody

2704
01:57:17,450 --> 01:57:15,119
reach out to you if they have questions

2705
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:17,460
oh well I usually find me on Facebook

2706
01:57:23,390 --> 01:57:20,400
because my Facebook or but uh

2707
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:23,400
and I will respond you know from there

2708
01:57:28,189 --> 01:57:25,440
you know instant message me and I'll

2709
01:57:30,050 --> 01:57:28,199
respond to you there you go don Webb

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thank you my friend behave and be well

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and we're going to get you back

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for the energy Magic of the vampire be

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safe out there my friend thank you so

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much bye-bye

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Don Webb and listen uh his links are

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below and we have everything out in

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social media and certainly over at

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jimmychurchradio.com thank you so much

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on great show tonight and uh before I

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get out of here I want to remind

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everybody tomorrow night we've got Ryan

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Graves on the show Ryan is going to be

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here we're going to be talking about

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Navy Pilots

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and uaps all that and much more tomorrow

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night with Ryan Fade to Black is

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church until tomorrow night with Ryan

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Graves I want everybody to be safe

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